China calls on Putin to end Russian roulette at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine after disaster near-miss : worldnews

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Geng Shuang, China’s deputy permanent representative at the UN, pointedly called on all parties involved “to exercise maximum restraint strictly abide by international law and minimise the risk of accidents”, adding: ”We must not allow the tragedies of the Chernobyl and Fukushima nuclear accidents to be repeated.”

The title and the reality described in this paragraph are two quite different things. Not really that surprising given that inews is the Daily Mail under a rebranding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who took nuclear plant as a hostage? Russia or Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I know. But you need to answer the question of Donetsk and Luhansk. Do you want everyone there to die? This was didn't start in march it start 8 years ago when the 2014 coup happened. The people of Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk were already very very concerned about the potential to be ethnically persecuted because it had been rising for many decades already in the west with targeted attacks on ethnically russian (ukrainian citizens) and so on. Bans on using russian language in restaurant menus were implemented and finally when the bans on using russian language in schools and government services were implemented the people of these regions were tipped over the edge into secessionism. That is when the civil war of Ukraine began, a war between Ukrainian nationals that were ethnically russian and felt they were no longer safe as part of Ukraine and the Ukrainian government.

That war raged for 8 years before Russia stepped in. And it will not magically go away if Russia leaves. What do you suggest doing? Letting Ukraine kill them all?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Russia wants ceasefire in the area, meanwhile UN blocked international inspection at the site, undobtedly it would confirm that Ukrainians shell the nuclear plant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have a mirror of this? My government blocks RT because of the war.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I don't, maybe the poster of original have @[email protected] ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Any credible source on this? Russia Today has a huge history of spreading fake news.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You are confusing fake news (articles that are completely fake) with disinformation (a smear phrased that actually just means things western governments don't like).

[+] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is this a parody? Or do you really believe that Russia is shooting at its own troops, and at territory it completely controls?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia should withdraw its military from the power plant. Using it as cover for their soldiers and ammunition is cowardly and a huge safety risk for the civilian population.

As for the comments on here talking about western MSM bias - give me a break. There is one aggressor here, a crazy russian authoritarian regime and army attacking a democratic country under some very ridiculous pretenses. Not to mention the disgusting way they have targeted the civilians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Russia should withdraw its military from the power plant. Using it as cover for their soldiers and ammunition is cowardly and a huge safety risk for the civilian population.

Russia is not in a position where it can do that. If Russia pulls out of it Ukraine will move into it and do exactly that. The plant will become a base that can not be attacked. It's an unrealistic position. Given that Ukraine positions all of its military underneath and around civilian buildings while using schools and hospitals as bases there's really no question that they would also do it with the plant.

Not to mention the disgusting way they have targeted the civilians.

Not really true on the whole. There have probably been some instances of this but it's extremely obvious that Russia has been light-handed in this war compared to the American invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan or what happened to Libya. It's just disingenuous to claim.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it's not as bad as Iraq yet, but it is senseless and needs to stop. Iraq is a pretty low bar with >100k civilians dead. And they are targeting civilians' hitting mall, train stations, and even normal workplaces. All of these hundreds of km from the front. Im not even talking about the crap they do at the front or in occupied areas.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah but the point is like, when the west has invaded anything they've gone in FULL POWER. They wipe everything out, the destroy all power infrastructure, they shut down the ability of entire cities to function, they utterly and totally cripple the opponent regardless of civilians.

Russia on the other hand has not done that remotely at all. Kyiv has a functioning economy, so does the rest of Ukraine not currently directly on the front line of artillery fire. They have occupied the power plant but they're running it and continuing to supply western Ukraine (controlled by the Ukrainian gov still) with electricity.

Obviously this might change in the future (plenty of room for them to escalate if they want to) but anyone making these claims about civilian targeting has either no idea how the west conducts itself when it does an invasion or is genuinely lying for alternative agendas. Yes it can always be better, but they're 100% being gentle.

I wonder whether these people have seen a western war. Whether they truly believe what they're saying or not. If they truly believe what they are saying then the next invasion the west conducts is going to look like a horror show 100x worse to them. But I'm pretty sure many are saying this kind of thing knowing full well it's not the truth.

And they are targeting civilians’ hitting mall, train stations, and even normal workplaces. All of these hundreds of km from the front. Im not even talking about the crap they do at the front or in occupied areas.

Yes and we have video of ukrainian military in a lot of them. It's impossible to verify particularly well what strikes occurred for what reasons though at this point in time, we simply do not know what was being stored in these locations that Russia believed was worth striking. The argument that they were just yolo blasting a civilian location for absolutely no reason with a missile costing 60million dollars needs a bit of critique though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

RF should withdraw from ALL of the Ukraine, not just this power plant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's not possible either, you would be condemning the people of eastern ukraine to mass repression and possibly an extermination event. You have to keep in mind that this war began 8 years before Russia stepped in, Ukraine was fighting the people of Luhansk and Donetsk. That doesn't stop if Russia pulls out and Ukraine will them all. Do you support that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Do you support that?

This is the guy who commented on Russians getting called "orcs" like this:

> Don’t insult Orcs, please.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

So yeah he probably does support ethnically cleansing these regions of the "orcs" then. The ethnically Russian previously Ukrainian populations of Donetsk and Luhansk.

This is the problem we face with getting this war to stop. It is impossible now for Russia to step out of these regions without triggering a massacre.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ukraine was fighting undercover Russians in Donetsk and Lugansk since 8 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

No this is just totally untrue. There was definitely some support given but the bulk of the secessionists were the people of Donetsk and Luhansk.

You have fallen for the trick that the Ukrainian government often pulls by calling ALL the people of Donetsk and Luhansk Russians. They no longer call them Ukrainians. And that's the problem, they have firmly stated their intention to kill all of them, they do not consider them Ukrainian anymore and taking back the land means cleansing it of the Russian ethnicity population.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know much about this situation, but it seems appropriate that the plant should temporarily be shut down, all radioactive materials removed. This would probably leave a lot of people without power though because this plant is one of the biggest in Europe and provides a lot of electricity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most appropriate would be Putin calling off his army and apologising his brothers for attacking and murdering them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

No, the most appropriate would be Zelensky following the Minsk accords and calling off his army and apologising his brothers for attacking and murdering them. Then Russia would have no reason to intervene.

[+] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same as others. Maybe it's because I'm from Poland and some Russian politicians claimed that Poland will be next after Ukraine? Maybe of history of Poland being wrecked by so called „brothers“ so many times? Maybe because I understand how does Soviet and now Russian imperialistic stance works? Or maybe because some country's army invaded their neighbours and have been killing many since few months?

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