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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Density zoning is the source of the housing crisis.

People think it's market forces that have created the housing crisis, but it is exactly the opposite: government ha been artificially restricting supply for decades.

There are so many places where 100 units is a more profitable use of land than 10 units, but it's prevented by density zoning.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Only if the apartment has very strict noise and smoking rules that are actually enforced.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Noise separation is pretty easy to design into a building. Air separation is possible but would require design that no one bothers with, as far as I know.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Noise separation is pretty easy to design into a building.

I wonder why more don't do it then.

I would be very interested (and I assume I'm not the only one) in a condo + association which advertises strong noise controls. HOA's always seem to concentrate on the wrong things IMO.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

It's slightly more expensive, and most developers are trying to build the cheapest thing they can sell. A good number of places have put in noise separation into their building code though, so depending on where you live any new place will be dead quiet.

In a wood-frame building, for example, you increase the thickness of the unit-to-unit walls by a few inches and leave a small air-gap between two layers of insulation. The hard-soft-air-soft-hard boundary makes for a very difficult path for sound to travel through. You have to purpose-build the walls if you want maximum noise isolation, because the studs have to be staggered so they don't bridge the gap and transmit the sound through your defenses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Had an apartment. Guy's girlfriend upstairs smoked. His apartment caught on fire when she fell asleep smoking in bed. Guess where the water goes when the fire department put out the fire. And that's not just water, it's water mixed with toxic soot. No more apartment.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

When we lived in an apartment someone set off the fire alarm several times a week, sometimes at 3am which is a shitty way and time to awaken. Never want to live in one again

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

As long as I can live in a hollow under a tree far away from the apartment building, okay.

But if not then I’ll just walk into the ocean because that’s still too damn many people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How about quadplexes? 50% of island used.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Really good framing of it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Everyone is going to need to agree on a noise level

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

This is true. In Holland we have laws and regulations about this. My wife's job is enforcing this, although most of the work is designing places to minimize problems (don't build homes right next to highways, or under flight paths, or next to industry), as well as dealing with cafe owners who let their customers talk in front of the bars smoking at 02:00. 😄

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