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NT passes law to lower age of criminal responsibility to 10 years old (www.abc.net.au)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In short:

The Northern Territory has passed new laws that lower the age of criminal responsibility to 10, about two years after the previous government raised the age to 12.

It comes a day after the Country Liberal Party government pushed through tougher bail legislation and extra powers for police as part of a suite of law and order changes.

What's next?

New laws on public drinking and assaults on workers are expected to pass when parliament resumes next week.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Locking kids up is definitely going to solve the underlying causes of youth crime!

It seems like Liberal parties only have interest in treating the symptoms, but not the disease. Similar to Panadol, Codral and Vick's etc.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

You're missing the point, they can make money out of locking up kids. Turn a problem into a resource, then mine it. Probably get tafe money and work programs happening next.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

This not the nine o'clock news sketch is as always relevant. It's easy to be prophetic about people who are only looking to the past I guess.

https://youtu.be/pXxyDZRUTDQ

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Soft! Soft on crime!

I'm twice as tough on crime!

Should be 5 years of age!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Look at this bleeding heart pinko homosexual commie.

In my NT women pregnant with "at risk children" ( you know what I mean, wink winl nudge nudge say no more) will give birth directly above prison pits.

At last solving the problem once and for all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thinking about it, let's just do it properly.

Only approved high quality people like us should have children.

We can sterilize everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Too late for me, the state already steralised me.

You'll have to carry the burden of breeding good stock. I hear musk can help you out, he has... ideas

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Finally, now we can have child slave labor too \s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Classic large L liberal.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Excellent, crime is out of hand up here.

I was talking with a police officer who was in a pursuit where the kids chased the police cars and kept trying to ram tyne police. When they finally stopped tyne pursuit the driver was 11 years old so that took the kid home to his parents. Then an hour later arrested the same kid again for trying to steal another car.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Funny how the police can lock someone in jail, but they can't do anything to help a broken family. Drag thinks we could use some non-police solutions to the problem, because drag doesn't think putting 11 year olds in prison is a humane way of fixing anything.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Taking a kid from that family would be an immediate improvement no matter how it was done

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Drag can think of many things a government could do to a kid worse than being in an abusive household. Hypothetically: Killing, slave labour, chemical experiments, exposure to addictive drugs. Realistically: Surrounding him with a bunch of older criminals who will traumatise him just as bad as his parents and also teach him how to scale up his crimes to violent crimes against civilians. What if the older kids beat him up, or get him on alcohol or cigarettes?

Drag can also think of solutions that don't involve any violence. Like family therapy, a support pension, or rehabilitation programs for the parents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

https://tfhc.nt.gov.au/children-and-families/support-services-for-families

Services do.exist, and it's bold of Drag to assume these children aren't already exposed to alcohol, cigarettes or other addictive drugs, this could even be happening in their home, along with violence and crime. It could even be part of abuse they experience at home.
Abusive homes are inhumane, prison is inhumane, child separation is inhumane, forced rehab and therapy are inhumane. I've known a couple of car stealing 11 year olds and they just thought it was fun, they slso knew there would be no consequences, so why not?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

When the cop brought the kid back to his house, he should have called a social worker and sent them down to connect the family with these services. The kind of parents who do this aren't often in the right state of mind to seek out support. They need to be helped as much as the kids.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

so why not?

Did you mean, why not criminalise them?

If so, because theres lots of experiential evidence that it doesn't work to change criminal behaviour, and as drag alludes to, plenty of evidence now that the criminalised children are locked into a cycle of crime throughout their life.

Their life of crime becomes a cost to you and I, and all those who are victims of their shit behaviour, as well as the State. Its a cost i'd rather pay once through proven crime prevention pathways.

And the above only considers their direct impacts on people personally not even to consider the moral, humanist, or economically efficient use of a nations resources as elements here.

Wheres the CLP's case that a policy like this is going to work this time?
What are their targets for acheiving the change?
If those targets aren't met and peoples cars are still getting stolen, or worse, will they own their policy mistakes, or will they blithely double down on this flawed and absolutist policy?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Did you mean, why not criminalise them?

No, I was referring to the attitude of the children involved. This article describes it well, they see no reason to stop what they are doing, they think it's fun. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/nations-heart-is-breaking-again-in-alice-springs-tiny-menaces-helpless-police-and-no-solution/news-story/993f4002a59f6d4324012f11ab9252c5?amp

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, piss off. Imprisoning 10yos is an affront to human decency and you are a vile person for calling it "excellent."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Come live with the crime and not your ivory tower mate

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Imprisoning literal children is worse than vague "crime," you sick fuck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, a child who steals assaults rapes needs to be removed from what ever environment they're in and placed elsewhere to teach them right from wrong.

Unless you think they will magically learn themselves because their parents don't care

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Using gaol to try and improve outcomes for 10 year olds is like using a machine gun to hammer in nails.

The criminal justice system is absolutely not correct tool for the job. It is a massive problem in our country that there's massive amounts of money to spend on someone in gaol once they've broken some laws but very little before that point.