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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 years ago (50 children)

How do you "become ungovernable together, render state violence unenforceable" against a government with huge amounts of police, prisons, and military infrastructure? Or is it just a case of "no more bourgeoisie" after you stop paying taxes, stop working, and stop rent payments? I hope those questions don't come across as snide.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the laugh

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Reminds me of how Marxists-Leninist want to reach communism (aka class-less society).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

That's the difference between Marxist-Leninists and Anarchists in a nutshell. Marxist-Leninists focus on creating tangible material gains for the people, and we openly admit that we don't have all the answers. We do what we can, we see what works and what doesn't and try to improve going forward.

Nobody has been able to create a stateless and classless society so far, and some people have the intellectual honesty to admit that we don't have all the answers. Then we have people like you, who provide no workable solutions, and continue to attack those who are making tangible improvements for lives of billions.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 years ago

Is it really necessary to post these kind of "memes"? All it does is get people feel superior, or feel upset, depending if they have the "correct" belief. Reddit is already full of this crap, so why bring it here? This is exactly what I was talking about in my discussion yesterday with @yogthos.

If you want to discuss about anarchism and communism, by all means go ahead. But it should be based on actual arguments, and with the goal of better understanding each other, not creating pointless drama.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

ML states are pretty much the only places that the west hasn't managed to colonize. USSR, China, Vietnam, and Cuba lifted countless people out of horrific conditions and provided them with food, housing, healthcare, education, and jobs. Anarchists are glibly dismissive of that because they never had to experience conditions that colonized people exist in themselves.

There's a good reason why anarchism is only popular within the imperial core where anarchists reap the benefits of imperialism. Billions of people are subjected to incredible amounts of suffering to support the lifestyle of the golden billion in the west, but that's of no concern for people like @[email protected] who have nice comfortable lives built on the backs of the developing world. It's no wonder that these people see no rush to change things.

The only mental gymnastics happening here are the ones necessary to rationalize the fact that anarchists failed to achieve any tangible victories against capitalism in over a century. It's quite telling that anarchists continue to spend their time denouncing existing socialist projects instead of enacting any meaningful change in their own countries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Anarchists of Lemmy strong!

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