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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (8 children)

$200 a month for a user is losing money? There's no way he's just including model queries. An entire a6000 server is around $800 / month and you can fit a hell of lot more than 4 peoples worth of queries. He has to include training and or R&D.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

So people are really believing Altman would publish these damning statements without ulterior motives? Are we seriously this gullible? Holy shit, we reached a critical mass of acephalous humans, no turning back now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

really looking forward to how these multi-billion dollar AI datacenter investments will work out for big tech companies

that said I'm pretty sure most of that capacity is reserved for the surveillance state anyway

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

When has "not profitable" ever stopped a tech startup lmao

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This is something I've been speculating for a while. The cost of running these complex systems (as OpenAI models aren't just LLMs) is subsidized so heavily that we don't really know the cost of running these things.

This is a huge risk to any business, as the price for these services has to go up significantly in the long term.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ed Zitron calculated from the publicly available numbers that OpenAI was spending $2.35 for every $1 of ChatGPT they sell

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

You can help by asking ChatGPT to produce the most processor intensive prompt it can come up with and then having it execute it repeatedly. With the free version this will burn through your allotment pretty quickly, but if thousands of people start doing it on a regular basis? It'll cost OpenAI a lot of money.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Wonder what their financials are actually, usually with cloud capital ventures like these they usually still magically keep raking it in even though they're "losing money".

For instance, Amazon during the pandemic paid zero corporate tax even though they had record sales because they "didn't make any profit", Tesla too who didn't make profit during 2020 yet their share price went 10x and they had plenty of shares to sell if they wanted.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Never offer unlimited on a utility model without guardrails. That’s just business 101.

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