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Trump rescinds Biden's census order, clearing a path for reshaping election maps (www.wkms.org)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Summary

Trump revoked Biden’s executive order that affirmed the inclusion of all residents in census results, regardless of immigration status.

This action clears the path for potential changes in how the 2030 census will be conducted, including the possibility of excluding non-citizens from apportionment counts.

The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the constitutionality of such exclusions.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This one isn't worth anyone's time worrying about right now, except for the proper advocacy groups who will challenge it right away, where it might get to the Supreme Court during this Presidential term, or might not. He tried to pull this when he was in charge of the last Census, and was blocked in the courts. Which means it can be challenged right up to the point where they formalize the questions a few months beforehand, so whatever he decides now can be changed by the next President.

For those of you who are about to post "We can't even be sure he will leave office when the Constitution says he will", you're right, of course. But if that happens the Census will be so low on the list of how we are fucked up that it will end up being a footnote, so it's not worth worrying about in either case.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One thing missing here, and it's the same bullshit they tried during his first term. The "Special Census" they tried to pull to impact the 2020 census. They essentially want to try and give power to state and local governments to not adhere to US Census data in order to only count people they choose. One portion of that plan detailed here: https://publicintegrity.org/politics/system-failure/trump-obstruction-of-2020-census/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

You are absolutely correct, but I stand by my statement that Trump can't really do much to affect that now, particularly through executive actions that the next President can always revoke. Even if his pet Congress passes laws that have more staying power, passing them now gives advocacy groups plenty of time to challenge them. It's simply too early to make changes that will stick.

It will be the job of whoever is President in 2029/2030 to set up that Census. If that person is a MAGA Republican, with a fully Republican Congress backing him (you know it will be a man, don't you?), then the Census will be fucked. But there will be so much else fucked that hardly anyone will notice the Census being so.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

oh look. another reason people should have taken that last opportunity to make a difference with their vote.

[+] [email protected] -28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Blaming the voters instead of the politicians is the same thing as making excuses for the politicians.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess but not taking the opportunity to keep your rights is just flat out dumb. Oh that other person should have acted more to protect my rights, how can I be expected to take responsibility for my right of suffrage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Rights…such as the right to free speech, assembly and protest against Israel’s war crimes, which Biden admitted were such this past weekend? How about the right to women’s bodily autonomy, which Biden has had 2 opportunities to codify into law while in the White House?

Yeah, he should have acted more. Actually doing things to help people motivates future voter turnout. If Dems don’t figure out basic politics such as this, they will continue to lose in embarrassing fashion, even to fascist garbage like Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you not noticed how much shit Trump just blatantly reversed? You think he wouldn't have done the same?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Um, yeah it’s obvious what Trump would do based on his actions from his last term. He should be in prison for all kinds of high crimes, and yet Biden’s DOJ didn’t even move to prosecute for 2 years, ensuring Trump had time to delay and evade justice. This is because the elites don’t wish to hold themselves accountable, regardless of the letter next to their name. Dems want to appear to do the right thing, but not effect any meaningful change.

Biden promised his donors that nothing will fundamentally change. He delivered on that one, and now the working class is waking up to the unfortunate reality that Dems work for their donors, not their voters. Turnout reflected this. If Dems actually want to win, we need to demand they do better, and they need to be willing to change. I’ve seen no evidence of this occurring, so get ready for an even worse loss for Dems in upcoming elections.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yes those rights which I saw a lot of people utilize in the last four years and I hope they can infuture. You are full of shit that biden can pass laws. thats not how the presidency works. it was past non voters that got the judiciary that gave us those. would have been much better under president gore but folks wanted to allow bush jr to do his thing. biden has nothing to do with folks throwing their society to the wolves and then trying to say its someone elses fault. you had the vote at that point. please continue your blame of anyone but.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Biden didn’t do jack shit to further those rights, and arguably fumbled so badly he actively diminished them. The president is supposed to use his influence to ensure the rest of the party passes meaningful policy while in power - do you see any republicans stepping out of line regarding Trump’s wishes? But sure, keep deluding yourself into thinking the Dems do a good job because they aren’t Trump. That bar is laughably low, and Biden still stumbled on it.

Liberalism enables fascism, it cannot defeat it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

This is so ignorant of how our political systems work. Things can't happen that fast. Not lowering the bar is a significant thing when its regularly lowered, especially if you comparing years back. Most democratic first terms at best are rising the bar back to where it was when the republicans took office. Then idiots complain about the bar not having been moved. Second term, when they get it, they might get it a bit higher but usually they are being fought tooth and nail not for it to happen. All the same it does and yeah they have to right the economy to which takes some work. If the economy is not righted you will get that many more voting based on someones bs promises. Its like the electorate is made up of two type of children and then adults. one child believes whatever fantasy is spewed, another realizes that is bull but still wants all their fantasies done with no grounding in the reality of what it takes to get it done and then there are the pragmatic adults who realize you want good over bad or even ok over bad and better is better than worse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Blaming the voters instead of the politicians is ignoring that less than half of the voters voted for him.