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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.


Posting Guidelines

All posts should follow this basic structure:

  1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
  2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
  3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
  4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
  5. Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

Rules


Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.


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Hello everyone,

This is kind of a meta discussion, so if it doesn't fit the community, let me know and I'll crosspost it somewhere else.

There has been occurrences of people making broad statements against instances, communities, mods or admins. As Lemmy's recent versions (0.19.7 I think) allow to see someone's moderation history in a click (see below), I tend to use it from time to time, especially when the person is targeting admins or not that are known to be level-headed and consistent.

If the modlog shows that this person is indeed known to be toxic or arguing in bad faith, I would then post something like "heavy modlog" with a link to the user's modlog.

It seems like this behaviour could be considered harassment by some people. On the other hand, it allows people to identify directly if that person is arguing in bad faith, the same way very new accounts get regularly called out on their account age.

What do you think?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think it has merit. If someone is constantly being moderated, it points to a problem user. However just saying "heavy modlog" without looking at the context of those mod actions, can poison the well about people with radical opinions. Sometimes this is warranted, but sometimes not.I can tell you with certainty that if I was inclined to wade into l.w. political comms with my anarchist takes, I would be heavily moderated as well. Hell, even on our instance's left memes comms ( [email protected] and [email protected] ) I get occasionally down-voted to the ground for riling up the libs.

I think it would make some sense to have a way to see how many different comms have banned that user, and how many different comms have removed their comments. That would give perhaps a better idea

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think it would make some sense to have a way to see how many different comms have banned that user, and how many different comms have removed their comments.

Good point, that's usually what I instinctively try to look at. Banned from a football due to polite support of their own team? Ok. Several pages of abuse against 15 communities? Not so good.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Banned from .ml for calling out tankies?

10 points to Gryffindor!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, but this becomes difficult to parse. The UI should be optimally be crunching that data for you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are a lot of things were the UI is subpar 😅

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Ye, I'm using Tesseract myself. I'm hoping some other devs can step up. The T dev is actually pretty good at onboarding new ideas like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well now u have to start making value judgements on moderation actions. And that sounds like a whole new can of worms

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Nah, we can get at least a general vibe through sheer quantity

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean, there's a reason I added a button for "View [User's] Modlog History" to Tesseract long before any other UI even considered it. Take that as you will. Though I generally just use that as a gauge of whether it's worth responding to someone than anything more active.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I find it very useful to check users modlogs, especially if they're complaining about acts of moderation on them. It is the most available and direct evidence for any claim.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s definitely not harassment lol, calling out someone for acting in bad faith is the only way this comm will ever stay honest. Otherwise it’s just going to become a place for bad actors to whip up some easy bullshit

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Thank you for your comment

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I don't think it's harassment, especially if they're doing something like pretending to be on left while having a modlog full of bigotry

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I think it can be helpful context, but it can also lead to tangential slap fights. I had someone in here digging through my modlog just because I told them they deserved their ban.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I like it! You get to a situation like

don't want to be treated like you abuse power? Don't abuse power

Transparency is a good thing!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Here’s my take for what it’s worth:

Modlogs can be very useful to illustrating intent, track records, quality of character- or lack thereof, and context.

As a mod, I use them fairly frequently to determine what kind of person I’m dealing with before making a decision on content. Because oftentimes, things can be taken out of context. Modlogs can and have on occasion, saved an unnecessary removal of content.

As for people using them in debate/discussion, I’m also all for it. Provided that it remains within the theme of the discussion and is not used to derail the conversation, modlogs can be a helpful tool to keep people honest.

Lastly, there’s the idea (read: hope) that linking modlogs advertises to others who may not know- that their behavior is public access. Sometimes this is enough to help keep the peace and create respectful dialogue. The more people that are made aware of this, the better for lemmy overall.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait modlog of how the use has been moderated or modlog of how the user has enacted moderation?

I though the mod who did the moderation was hidden?

Also modlog of how a user has been moderated could be biased against people who enjoy trolling tankies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

how the user has been moderated

This one

could be biased against people who enjoy trolling tankies.

Indeed: https://lemm.ee/post/53217062/17653902

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think this is more likely to be used to harass people than to actually do anything useful. Modding is a shitshow on Lemmy as most of us have seen, so I don’t really think having mod actions listed against you is meaningful, especially if you’ve been an active user for a long time.

Not to mention the worst actors just rotate accounts anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Not all modlog is trash but you are correct it can't be relied on as some sort of criminal record lol

Mods on heavy traffic instances are threat actors and should be treated as such

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I think heavy modlog is lazy can be easily abused

But if you see specific pattern of behaviour, then there is specific mod action related to similar behaviour. I think it is fair to point out and let the readers decide.

People over use term harassment I don't think I have seen harassment on fedi but if somebody got receipts, would be interested in checking out what people think it looks like.

Somebody giving you a Cheekey Rebuttal ain't it, IMHO