They just so desperately WANT it to be true, because then they can ask for forgiveness for being the horrible people they are and still continue to be horrible because they can just keep doing that until they die. Yay, religion.
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There are big problems with 10 commandments.
- Yahweh, god of Israelites, was son of El. Yahweh saying there is no god above me is a coup.
- "Though shalt not covet" was specifically a directive against coveting the idols of Canaanites/Phonetians instead of destroying them.
Both of those are an Israelite coup to go forth and murder non Israelites. Unclear why El would hate idolatry. Many references to Canaanite gods in bible, and Canaanites are the descendants of one of Noah's grandsons.
I guess its just an open source religion where you can fork off at any point.
More info on this el guy?
Abrahamic religions evolved from an earlier religion that we now call Yahwism. Yahwism is super different from Abrahamic religions and it developed alongside the religions of neighboring communities and as a result had a lot of syncretic interactions with them. A ton of inconsistencies in the modern Bible can be attributed to leftover scars from the syncretism and evolution of the religion.
A really interesting aspect of Yahwism is that it was polytheist, with an entire pantheon of gods. Yahweh even had a goddess wife. And he was definitely not the leader nor the most powerful of the gods in the pantheon. He was a warrior storm god, similar to Thor, except he controlled floods. El (now called Elohim), used to be an entirely different god. He took on the grandfatherly wise god role, and he was the king of the gods. Over time, El and Yahweh merged into a single god, and that's why the God from modern Bible is so bipolar (loving and wise at one moment and bloodthirsty and vengeful the next) - it's because the wise God stories originated from El and the bloodthirsty God stories originated from Yahweh
Also, Beelzebub arose because the original god (Baal) was a warrior storm god from a neighboring religion and the Yahwists thought that Baal was a Yahweh copycat and didn't like him lol
some tidbits, IsraELites are named after him, even when Moses tells them he has a better god and should go kill everyone who believed what they used to believe. When Greeks ruled region, Greeks said El and Zeus were same god, and other main Caananite gods had greek equivalents too.
That interpretation of the commandment against coveting seems very unlikely. Exodus 20:17 says:
“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's."
Nothing there mentions idols, and given the references to wives, servants and houses, it seems particularly unlikely that it is specifically referring to idols.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_covet
The images of their gods you're to burn in the fire. Don't covet the silver and gold on them, and don't take it for yourselves, or you'll be ensnared by it, for it's detestable to the LORD your God. Don't bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it's set apart for destruction.
-- Deuternonmy
I think this is the more specific "author" of 10 commandments
Certainly there are commands not to covet the idols of the nations, but the verses you quoted come from Deuteronomy 7:25-26, where the context is giving instructions for when the Israelites enter the land, rather than commentary on the 10th commandment. If anything, it is more an application of the 1st and 2nd commandments. The account of the 10 commandments in Deuteronomy appears earlier, in 5:6-21, where Moses is quoting the commandments given in Exodus 20:1-17 by way of reminder to the new generation that is about to enter the promised land without him. The command not to covet is generally understood as having broader application than just not coveting idols.
I'm fuzzy on the history of writing, but there Code of Hammurabi dates to around 1750 BCE. I'm confused about what this person is arguing is controversial about writing being available in the 16th century BCE. People could write... so? Did they not invent lying or fiction until much later?
People have written a ton of stuff, and much of it is fiction.
Moses was stoned on desert mushrooms. I had a vision of his older brother complaining about how Moses was always out tripping with his hommies and writing stories instead of watching the sheep like he was supposed to be doing, and I know it's a fact because God told me it was.
There was almost certainly no Moses. The story has no basis in historical fact. There is absolutely no evidence of a massive slave exodus from Egypt.
They crossed an uninhabited desert and ate only magic food called manna, which caused them to not have to poop for decades. That sounds just like a normal history book to me.
Also they spent 40 years wandering in a desert that takes less than a year to cross on foot.
Man, some of those peyote trips can feel like decades, am I right? Manna, indeed.
The Torah is Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
According to Deuteronomy 34, Moses died at age 120.
I'm pretty sure Moses didn't write the Torah.
If Moses could record his own death (it says so right there in the bibble), he could certainly write the Torah
So what if he did? That just proves a guy wrote a book.
Also proves Canaanites were there first 😉
No, it proves that one person who knew their written language made a comb.
That is literally all we can say for certain about that artifact. There was a ton of international trade amongst the people around the Mediterranean in the ancient world (and even plenty of trade beyond that).
That we know for certain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluburun_shipwreck
And of course that is only if the person who posted that isn't full of shit about the comb.
Everyone's ancestors were there first. We're all descended from about 1,200 people who existed before private property