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Israeli soldiers are risking jail by refusing to fight in Gaza | The Independent (2025-01-15)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-soldiers-idf-gaza-war-b2679934.html
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“… a growing number of Israeli soldiers speaking out against the 15-month conflict and refusing to serve anymore, saying they saw or did things that crossed ethical lines. While the movement is small — some 200 soldiers signed a letter saying they’d stop fighting if the government didn't secure a ceasefire — soldiers say it’s the tip of the iceberg and they want others to come forward.”

“Seven soldiers who've refused to continue fighting in Gaza spoke with AP, describing how Palestinians were indiscriminately killed and houses destroyed…”

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

The not so fun thing is that German soldiers with moral qualms about the extermination of Jews and other ethnic/religious groups weren't jailed.

  • Chris Browning, Ordinary Men

Imagine playing the ethical low card compared to Nazi Germany

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

And when they fight in Gaza, they risk legal action in most civilized countries.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

How realistic is it that this gains traction and makes big waves in their ranks?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I wouldn't count on it.

But that's been my strategy lately, setting the bar for expectations so low it's in hell. That way I am never surprised, and it's appalling how many news headlines have been limbo-ing their way under that in recent times.

This article is framed in a way that makes it sound hopeful, but this bit kind of ruins the whole thing

saying they saw or did things that crossed ethical lines

Emphasis mine.

So basically we have child murderers who regret doing it because now they're haunted by the spectre of their atrocities. At best we have guys who stood by while watching their coworkers murder children which isn't really better, just less evil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

I'm sure they are fully aware of that and I hope they don't back down.