No Stupid Questions

Your first mistake is assuming logic has anything to do with it.

It is ethnic cleansing, pure and simple.

Because that would involve a level of logic and critical thinking well beyond them.

For some reason it seems like human nature to treat everybody in a recognizable group like they're the same person, and that person is either good or bad depending on your background and attitudes - immigrants, trans people, cops, boomers, tech nerds, hot women, republicans, democrats, musicians... there are probably stereotypes you have broad opinions about which you will spend all day defending/rationalizing because a) "it's true" and/or b) "I'm not bigoted!" We're all bigots, just do it in different ways. And no, that's not a defense for any particular bigotry or saying they're all equal.

the logic is that they think white people deserve the land more. Its plain old racism.

Short answer is "propaganda". News agencies against immigration will pretty regularly swap between "illegal immigrants", "immigrants", and as if they're practically interchangable to build whatever narrative they want, and also to slowly build an association between 'people of ', 'being a drain on society', and 'being here illegally' to get the average person to side with them.

Racism.

That's i t.

That's literally it.

Because we have an idiot problem over here right now. The person you know is an idiot.

"Shouldn't that logic apply to..."

One must remember that people aren't logical. They're hypocritical and willfully ignorant.

The far-right doesn't care about logic, it's all just good ol' racism.

Whats worse is that the current administration has stated that native Americans are not US citizens and indigenous communities are being hassled hard by ICE right now. I don't know what their plan for native people eventually is but it won't be good and it won't be to just leave them out of this.

So people are programmed to be biased towards their own self interest, it’s not as malicious as it sounds, it’s unfortunately human nature.

So naturally they would think that the new world conquest was justified for whatever reason (maybe cause there was no flag?).

And conversely, naturally they would think of new people coming here as less justified, after all, we live in a modern world with borders now.

What I’ve learned from politics in the last few years, especially during the pandemic, is to never trust someone’s opinion when there is conflict of interest.

You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that's where you went wrong

The White House made it so that all inmigrants are criminals by default because they entered the country illegally. Turning innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now everyone is guilty by association.

I think it's as simple as this: people need an enemy, some person or group they feel is against them. Conservatives get off on having a victim complex, and will straight up make shit up against their opposition just to make themselves look like a helpless little child. "Oh no, what am I gonna do? Me or my granddaughter needs a job and I heard in the news they're all being taken up by immigrants" meanwhile, the same person is being fed this information from the comfort of their couch.

"The immigrants are taking our jobs" is a sentiment that I have seen at least in my part of the country go down in the last several years and im in a very conservative area. Simple fact is immigrant workers work cheaper and faster than others and they often do better work, people are realizing that.

It's origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US

Yeah we better start coming up with some paperwork that our great great grandparents were legal. At this point I'd be pretty happy to be deported to Germany.

Where’s the meme of someone holding the box and inside is one word? Racism

Reality is a team sport, to some people. You're not going to catch them out with logic. They don't give a shit about consistency. It's simply not a factor in how they decide what's true.

American fascism doesn't care what's true or what's right. It cares only to kill and enslave people who are "undesirable"

That's the great thing about racism, it doesn't have to make sense!

Yeah these guys are radicalized extremists.

You can't tell if someone is "legally" in the U.S. by looking at them. You can't tell if someone was born here by looking at them. You would think racism would be separate from the immigration panic because there is no way to tie looks to immigration status, but instead the logic is thrown out the window.

My friend told me once "when a guys life goes to shit he looks for someone to blame.". These particular guys have blamed some nebulous idea of "illegal immigrants" instead of women, or communists or whatever.

Remember, everyone is a hypocrite. The USA is a melting pot of so many different peoples with about 250 years of history as a nation. My working theory is that has led to a nation-wide identity crisis: who and what am I. They are intensely occupied with their origins because the only people who have been on the continent for millennia (Native Americans) were brutally reduced and are the only ones who know their roots with higher certainty.
It's why many USAians will gladly call themselves "Italian", "Indonesian", or "African" without ever having set a foot in that country/continent, knowing next to nothing about it, being unable to speak or even identity a language from there, nor locate it on the map.

Factor in their education system, "winner takes all" vote counting system which leads to tribalism, and media influence, human inability to think long term, and you end up with a large swathe of people who cannot reason logically about these things.

A lot of people are influenced by alt-right news (Fox News, Newsmax, OAN) who keep repeating the false claim that undocumented immigrants are mostly gangsters and violent criminals. In truth, undocumented immigrants are way less likely to commit a violent crime than an average American citizen.

Trump said, regarding the first deportation flight:

Three hundred people sitting on a plane. Every single one of them is either a murderer, a drug lord, a kingpin, the head of the mob, or a gang member

Yet none of those deportees had any criminal conviction in either country (according to Newsweek, a slightly-right news source).

That's just bad logic saying that all Americans all are immigrants. It implies that land is bound by blood and every modern immigrant everwhere would never be integrated into society, since they weren't the original people there. Every society that has migrated would also receive this immigrant label, like the Hungarians and Bulgarians. There comes a point where the people who conquer lands become the people living there and not just immigrants.

These kinds of bad gotchas aren't proving anything unless you seriously think they are only going for immigrants. They are racists. They use the term immigrant to refer to non-white people.

Its called being a moron.

someone called my Ukrainian coworker a wetback.

i just... want you to think about that and what it says about how dumb bigots are

Because some people were never taught critical thinking skills

Because people here are racists, yet not clever.

Because they're stupid, bigoted cunts. I IT in construction (somehow still, whew thats another story) and I talk to these troglodytes on a daily basis. The minute one of these homunculus shambles in and has a minute to flap their lip skins racist ass, stupid ass shit flows out. Meanwhile, every gentleman that is of Mexican descent can at least hold their cool, or outright flipoff the trump cutout my boss has up in our office. Not saying they aren't imperfect humans either, but for some fucken reason white dudes can't help but drop the mask to other white dudes. All I gotta do is have one Trump trinket near me to work magic on anyone conversing with me. The trick is, a lot of the immigrant dudes didnt start flipping Trump off until he actually began this deportation shit. Even when he was saying he'd do it they were saying he'd fix stuff. Its a people thing man idk. Education in the western hemisphere is just utterly failing most. If you aren't a knowledge seeker, if you dont have the tools to combat propaganda and falsehoods, and sometimes even if you do, this place will eat you.