Does Flipboard fit this description? They are part of fedi already
this post was submitted on 25 Feb 2025
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Yes I think so. If they had an ad free versions I’d pay for it.
Fediverse is open source and decentralized, so any for-profit model could leverage it without asking for anyone's permission. There are already for-profit companies that build and maintain apps to access Fediverse platforms. Meta Threads and Tumblr are both integrating into ActivityPub as their own hosts. I imagine in a future where Fediverse grows rampantly, the hosts with the best overall user experience will be for-profit. We live in a world of global capitalism, good things cost money most of the time.
good things cost money most of the time.
I've found it's the exact opposite: the best things in life are free.
It's actually built-in to your argument. None of this would be possible without free protocols that are accessible to everyone.
Non-profits only IMO. Pay folks what they deserve, all the rest goes back in.
Investors can’t go near it. They’re always the problem.
I agree. Commercials get in, you get what happened to the Internet. We need something new.
How do you decide "what they deserve"? What should be the payment for a moderator, or an instance admin? What of you have someone also making contributions to the software and as such is in a position to add features exclusive to one instance?
This is a great question and something we shouldn't shy away from considering.
As far as hosting a mastodon instance? That's something that should be done for free with the only income being donations.
These people do it because they want to. It's not necessarily "work" for them, which is why they do it for free anyways. It's also sustainable. As more users join their instance, costs for hosting will increase but so should donations. It's not that expensive to host servers, despite what some conpeople and their useful idiots may have told you. (don't assume you know the costs of hosting if you've never done it yourself.)
Admins get a lot of power that they have no problem abusing, either. This alone would make me a moron for even considering paying them for it.
"Yeah bro, I'm gonna pay you to host your instance where you have absolute control and can censor anything you don't like."
This is fun for them. That's why they do it.
There is not a single Mastodon &server out there that have increased donations or reach a sustainable level after they reach a few thousand users.
Also, there are not enough admins around "doing it because they want to" if we want the Fediverse to grow a few millions users.
Instagram has 2 billion users, Pixelfed largest instance has less than 200k active users. We would have to get 10 THOUSAND admins in order to compete with Instagram.
There is not a single Mastodon &server out there that have increased donations or reach a sustainable level after they reach a few thousand users.
Are you referring to active users, or just accounts-made? If you're referring to active users, then can you point to any Mastodon instance with thousands of active users and the donations they receive?
If you're referring to accounts made, then you don't really have a point because thousands of accounts are unlikely to substantially increase server costs unless they're all active (see above).
Also, there are not enough admins around “doing it because they want to” if we want the Fediverse to grow a few millions users.
Are you joking? There's no "shortage of instances" going around. As more people join the Fediverse, more admins will start instances. This is a non-issue.
In fact, I'd wager the vast majority of instance-owners are bored, twiddling their thumbs due to their lack of users.
Instagram has 2 billion users, Pixelfed largest instance has less than 200k active users. We would have to get 10 THOUSAND admins in order to compete with Instagram.
See above.
Newsie.social has (had) 20k active users, mostly professional journalists. It has been threatening to shut down due to lack of funding for two years already. Every month their admin needs to beg around for people to donate.
Fosstodon started with enough donations that they could even send some of their money to upstream projects. Nowadays they are invite-only because they don't get enough funding to sustain infinite growth.
Moth.social was active while they were sponsored by Mozilla, they are shutting down in March 12th due to lack of funding.
I could go on.
There’s no “shortage of instances” going around. As more people join the Fediverse, more admins will start instances.
This is just wishful thinking. Go ahead and open an instance with open registration, see how long it will take for you to regret it.
the vast majority of instance-owners are bored, twiddling their thumbs due to their lack of users.
And there is a huge number of admins that got users and then burned out due to harassment, spam, entitled users asking for/against federation due to petty drama...
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I mean we’ve determined what a living wage is, right? Is it really that difficult to think we can financially quantify people’s roles?
There are plenty of jobs similar to the roles that would be needed that we can compare to you. I was a freelancer for 15 years, I had to quantify jobs constantly. It’s not rocket science.
I also don’t think mods have to be paid. They can be, but I don’t see it as necessary. I’m talking about the instance maintainers.
I mean we’ve determined what a living wage is, right?
...have we?
Yes. It just hasn’t been properly implemented nation wide in the US. We’ve studied it to death and know what we need.
What does "implemented" mean?
If you’re going to waste my time with bullshit bait I’ll waste your time with lazy answers.
If you have a point to make just make it. Stop this ridiculous song and dance.
Buddy theres no song and dance unless it's the one you're doing where you're refusing to answer basic questions about things you've said.
Dude my point is simple. The concept of a living wage is well established and defined. Including how it can be calculated. There are countless studies and reports and estimates to the point where we could easily establish it as a minimum wage at the very least at the municipal and state levels depending on income needs to “live.”
This is not complicated. It’s a decades old, well established concept. Unfortunately it has not been implemented in to law in the US in any meaningful way beyond a handful of cities and states. I don’t Know if you were just playing dense or truly do not understand the concept, but there you go. Use fucking Google I don’t care. I don’t need to defend the existence of this concept and how thoroughly researched and thought out it already is.
Are you going to actually respond substantively or are you going to keep up your lame song and dance? Make your fucking point. What are you trying to say?
I don't see why you're being so hostile to him. I also didn't know this about a livable wage. I didn't know we were doing studies on it and thought that it actually referred to a subsistence wage.
I would actually usually say I don't like the term livable wage and think we should say "respectable wage" instead. It looks like they mean the same thing, though.
I don't know why you're treating me like a piece of shit for nothing more than trying to understand more about the words you wrote but I suppose I'll stop doing that.
Cue the pearl clutching and jaqassery.
You open with a sarcastic comment, ask me what the meaning of the word “implemented” is, and then act like you’ve just been sweet and asking innocent questions? You’ll have to excuse me if I’m a little incredulous.
Who hurt you?
Now you're trying too hard
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Regardless of the size of the sponsor, commercial sponsorship would be fine, as long as they don't post ads or try to influence the content in any way.
Unfortunately, that's a combination that likely will never happen. Imagine if Reddit never had ads or bowed down to corporate pressure. That's not a viable business model for a capitalist organization.
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Id like to see non for profits hosting servers for their members. fandom conventions, maker spaces, etc. It would also make sense for them to host communities around what they do. scifi literature, games, 3d printing, etc.
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Let's look at email as a history example, google gobbled up everyone for gmail.
If fediverse goes the way of email where it infinitely will grow and compete for the most part eventually businesses offering instances as services will be the norm, we can just jump ahead and try to it right before big tech starts to gobble it up.
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Sadly the UX here sucks compared to for profit platforms like Bluesky, I don't know of a good solution, but money is probably needed.
Open source projects aren't doomed to lousy UX forever.
Shoves GNUImp behind a desk with a foot.
Just look at recent releases of Gnome and KDE. We can have nice things, it just takes time.
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