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Framework’s first desktop is a strange—but unique—mini ITX gaming PC (arstechnica.com)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (8 children)

So... now Framework Corp is selling non-upgradable hardware?

I dunno. Conceptually I want to like Framework. But their pricing means it is basically never worth buying and upgrading versus just buying a new laptop (seriously, run the numbers. You basically save 10 bucks over two generations of shopping at Best Buy). But they also have a system that heavily encourages people to horde spare parts rather than just take it to an e-waste disposal facility/bin.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It will be faster than most next-gen laptops, and it's much cheaper than a similarly-specced Asus Z13. Strix Halo uses a quad channel 8533Mhz bus, 2 full Zen CCDs like you find in desktops/servers, and a 40 CU GPU. Its more than twice the size/performance of two true "laptop chips" put together.

Everything except the APU/RAM/Mobo combo is upgradable, and you don't have to replace the whole machine if the board fails.

I mean, if you don't need that kind of compute/RAM, this system is not for you, and old gaming desktops are probably better deals for pure gaming. But this thing has a niche.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Everything except the APU/RAM/Mobo combo is upgradable, and you don’t have to replace the whole machine if the board fails.

So... storage, case, and USB C dongles?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No, the pc is upgradable. They explicitly said in the event that the desktop was suppose to be an actual desktop with replaceable parts as much as technically possible. Only ram is tied to the mobo/cpu because of technical limitations of the amd cpu

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

At least memory is soldered on because of high throughout they say.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This is a standard a370 mini PC at a high price.

There's Beelink, Minisforum, Aoostar and many others.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Are they going to at least make memory modules available for those who want to solder their own?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can order those directly from chip suppliers (mouser, digikey, arrow, etc.) for a lower cost than you could get them from framework. Also those are going to be very difficult to solder/desolder. You're going to need a hot air station, and you need to pre-warm the board to manage the heat sink from the ground planes.

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