Will the rare earth they send us be in a bucket? Like a paint bucket? Or even more rare like in a small envelope? Will it also be strange? Rare and strange? Or rare and weird? So many chooses!
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If US can't guarantee, then sell the raw earth to the EU instead or china, india.
Of course not. That would be against Putins commands.
The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US' "guarantee", when they've been nothing but untrustworthy.
And people's lives are not toys. I get the sentiment behind wanting less people to die. But Trump and Putin do think people's lives are toys, so I can't imagine the outcome of this being beneficial in any way to Ukraine.
The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US’ “guarantee”, when they’ve been nothing but untrustworthy.
Bro, this whole ordeal is a lesson in why not to trust the west.
Ukraine should've kept its nukes and mined the shit out of its border with Russia. Every single day of peace should've been spent preparing for war.
In hindsight, any retard who said "but preparations will be seen as aggression!" should be chastised for the damaging retards they are. Looks like when we listen to them, Ukraine still gets invaded!
the reason they gave up their nuclear weapons was that it was an expensive and cumbersome responsibility that they had no practical use for outside of dirty bombs and terrorist tactics, as they didnt have the means to launch the missiles.
an often forgotten bit of information too, is that during this time, the USA was NOT friendly with Ukraine, the US Government did not Trust Ukraine an inch, and was not going to tolerate them to have nuclear weapons.
in 1991 the world went from having like 7 Nuclear states, to 10 all in the blink of an eye. and the 7 who were there before, wanted the new crowd removed immediatley from the club
The world treated the Russian Federation as if it was the replacement for the USSR, and Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan were not going to be tolerated keeping these weapons, if they did, they would have been treated like North Korea or Iran.
Or maybe they play along hoping the next US election cycle allows them to join NATO.
Seems like the US has no leverage if we're not offering anything.
The leverage is whatever they expect to happen if they are left to Russian interests
Ukraine wouldn’t last long with US support.
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So why should anyone listen to what the US says anyway?
What nations should they listen to instead?
Their own mostly. Countries don't have country buddies.
As for NATO membership in particular, all NATO members need to accept new members...
But the EU has a similar clause to help with military invasions, so the US support isn't strictly needed for security.
NATO will not see any new members again.
the Alliance is more or less defunct as there are trojan horses in it like Hungary, and America's refusal to honor Article 5 is an open secret now.
the Alliance is more or less defunct as there are trojan horses in it like ~~Hungary~~ America
And there is no provision to remove a ~~more~~ member from NATO.
You can remove a member by all leaving and forming NATO 2 and not accepting the member they wanted to remove.
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Zelenskyy would probably get more support from his people if he told trump to get fucked than by being his dancing monkey. I know he's desperately trying to do what's best for Ukraine, but sucking up to that piece of shit isn't it.
Zelenskyy would probably get more support from his people if he told trump to get fucked
Oh how I wish this was true but a lot of Ukrainians are so weary they really just want the war to end and are frustrated with Zelensky. Believe me not everyone has the moral high ground or integrity, many, many just want him to make any kind of deal, no matter how big the insult and humiliation are.
("Moral high ground" and "integrity" are very heavy words in this context. Right now, after just watching the argument, I am a bit speechless and can't find better words. But please know that I do not want to refer to these people as having no integrity, morals, ideals, etc. They are desperate and have lost so much I can't even put it in words.)
That's a good point and thanks for the perspective. Of course I don't know what it's like for anyone in Ukraine at the moment, and I can understand the desperation. But trump is a thug, and a wannabe gangster. He will burn all of Ukraine if he thinks it will benefit him. His word is worthless, and so is any deal with the US. Every world leader knows that, it's just so frustrating that none will stand up and say it, they just keep treating him like a legitimate president when he's so clearly not.
Did anyone expect anything else from Krasnov?
I get the impression Trump has no clue what’s going on. He’s just just regurgitating bullet points that someone—probably Putin—put in large print on a piece of paper.
That's what he's always done.
He has the attention span of a toddler. He latches onto ideas, and specifically things that will satisfy his ego, his greed or his lust, with a laser focus, for exactly and only so long as they manage to hold his attention.
And at the same time, he has essentially no conception of objective truth. It's not quite that he lives in a fantasy world as that his need to satisfy his ego, greed and/or lust is so much his focus that everything else pales in comparison, including truth.
So he essentially sincerely says whatever he thinks will serve to accomplish whatever it is that he's focused on at the moment. It's not so much that he lies as that he doesn't really make a distinction between truth and lies. The only meaningful measure of a claim is whether or not it will serve his goals.
And all of that means that a smart, canny and manipulative man - Putin, for instance - can get him pointed in whatever direction he wants by feeding him the right bait and the right bullet points to go along with it.
Exactly. This became very obvious after his meeting with Russia, he just started repeating their talking points without any critique. He has zero plan or strategy, just chasing feelings and vibes to feed his giant ego.
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Krasnov does what he is TOLD.
Hey France, you wanna dominate europe and soon also the world again? Comon who than to do it better than with your old pal germany. This time we are the good guys. Democracy, security, peace and justice! - germany
France is still colonizing Africa.
No worries, Macron has been working very hard to put an end to Françafrique and it is already mostly over :)
Well, not necessarily encrypted messaging security, https://www.intelligenceonline.com/government-intelligence/2025/01/30/france-makes-new-push-for-backdoors-into-encrypted-messaging-apps,110369896-art
That being said, yes, a stronger EU is better for the whole world. I hate that Trump is becoming the impetus for that.
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The US has already devalued being a member of NATO.
I though trump was going to pull the US out of Nato?
I guess by staying in they can derail it being useful to anybody else, veto new members, etc.
Yeah, I wonder if they could kick the US out.
Zelenskyy, it's a trap! Trump does not give a shit about Ukraine!
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that Zelenskyy probably isn't stupid enough to not be aware of that already.
Considering Zelenskyy said out loud that Trump lives in a disinformation bubble, it's a safe bet that he's aware.
At this point he's probably just buying time. He knows the US will abandon them, but probably needs to give the EU time to sort out their finances.
Trump trades alliances for slogans; NATO isn’t a casino, and Ukraine isn’t a poker chip.
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