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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] humanspiral 3 points 22 hours ago

This theory may be wrong. Keeps getting brought up though, as if its one of the major risks of global warming.

Tropical Northern Atlantic ocean being a good 2C warmer than just 10 years ago, may well be the result of a weaker current flow north. But 2C warmer flowing slowly, is still warming TF out of northern Atlantic. Even without taking the current path, +2C temperature water is going to make the water just north of it +2C too.

Weaker AMOC theory is based on increased Arctic melting. So far, Arctic melting per season has been stable even as extreme record low sea ice volume occurs in last 2 summers. The melting is stable because there is less winter freezing.

The trend over last 2 years is record warm European winters because of record warm Northern Atlantic and Mediteranean. This theory developed during period of Atlantic cold spot 2016-2021, but it is gone this year.

The mistake in the theory, IMO, is measuring current flow rate instead of heat flow rate, including natural heat flow independent of current.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

So only a partial collapse then? Neat!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Love how we are just waiting for this to happen now.

[–] floofloof 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Actually we are working hard to accelerate it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

That's the part that keeps getting missed. This all reminds of the yoyoing back and forth about whether coffee is healthy for you or not. Another damned science article on the issue. Great. Just what I needed. But the AMOC situation they always say is contingent upon action or inaction on global warming and what exactly am I supposed to think is happening to the systems? Hmm? Seems like everything is collapsing. So maybe I just might as well be fully prepared for the AMOC to straight up collapse. This groundhog day crap is getting really old. Same reason I always take a tote bag to the grocery store even if it's not always legally required in this county - sometimes they're out of bags, sometimes it's legally required; might as well be equipped with a bag.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

so when this happens a lot of Europe will be unviable as a place to live?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As far as I understand it luckily not. It will not be as warm, but it will not be inhospitable. Maybe or even counteracts the warming a bit. But the weather patterns will change for sure, so hard to do weather forecasts and century old behaviour patterns will have to adapt, for humans and nature itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Well shit, I've been doing my part every day in hopes of seeing this.

You're telling me the paper straws won against me and my constant purchase of cling wrap just to throw it away.