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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 228 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

I checked a few parts for a few minutes. It was too painful to watch.

Troomp and JD couch showed the worst traits leaders could have. The obvious ones are the American superiority complexes and the toxic need to escalate and talk down upon others.

In all of the bits I saw when skipping trough it, Zelenksy deescalated the situation multiple times while Trump and especially Vance escalated and started talking like some pretentious teenager bullies that gotten themselves a country.

Fuck the USA.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As an American, fuck the USA.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 hours ago

The only thing missing was Trump shouting "hold me back bro!" and pretending Vance was holding him back.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I don't know exactly how to put this, but I feel personally embarrassed by this.

I think this is going to shift world order more than expected. Every country now must be nuclear. Trump is going to try to install himself as a dictator. I think violence will have to be the answer. Man it's depressing.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

I'm pissed. There was always a simple answer. Freeze the front line and make it clear to Putin that Ukraine is now their version of Taiwan. They could keep trying to attack but the Ukrainians are now backed by the full might of the American military. They can keep what they already have but anything else is a step too far.

Yeah it's possible Zelensky doesn't go for that deal but damn, they didn't even try for the simplest option that stops the fighting, gets the payments Trump so desperately wants and guarantees Ukraine's security. They literally just presented an extortion scheme as the only option, with "trust me bro" as the guarantee.

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[–] [email protected] 330 points 15 hours ago (10 children)

Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago

The straight to not knee this fatfuck retards head in while sitting so close to him must be immense.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The restraint on Zelenskyy to not call him Krasnov to his face.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

I know the main thing here is Vance and Trump backstabbing and bullying Zelenskyy, but I just want to point out that Trump repeatedly talked about "raw earth" instead of "rare earths". We're truly fucked.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago

They can't even look him in the eye. They know he's telling the truth and they're full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 hours ago

totally not a russian dog

[–] [email protected] 212 points 15 hours ago (12 children)

As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is "gambling with WWIII," but it sure ain't Zelenskyy.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago

Trump wants zelenaky to take peace at any cost.... Zelenaky won't take that offer and wants assurances. Trump insults him as a war monger who wants ww3??

God what an example of political double speak. Trump is a lying idiot and he's the one gambling with ww3

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lol imagine being a Russian and seeing the "Evil West" siding with your leader. Must be a confusing time... 🤣

[–] [email protected] 262 points 16 hours ago (13 children)

And then to top off his hissy fit, he kicked Zelenskyy out. Like the diaper wearing toddler he is.

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[–] [email protected] 156 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

CIA used to kill presidents for less. Sometimes American ones too.

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