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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I checked a few parts for a few minutes. It was too painful to watch.

Troomp and JD couch showed the worst traits leaders could have. The obvious ones are the American superiority complexes and the toxic need to escalate and talk down upon others.

In all of the bits I saw when skipping trough it, Zelenksy deescalated the situation multiple times while Trump and especially Vance escalated and started talking like some pretentious teenager bullies that gotten themselves a country.

Fuck the USA.

[–] [email protected] 135 points 3 hours ago

Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin

[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

CIA used to kill presidents for less. Sometimes American ones too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

I feel like no one who could have a sway (aside from the mass who is not organized and still devided at the moment) would benefit from trump not being in power. That's a lot of negatives, let me rephrase: I feel that no one with the power to influence—aside from the masses, who, if organized, could have significant sway—has much incentive to act, as they benefit from Trump being in power.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

AFAIK, it's not clear if the CIA ever killed a president.

They surely gave guns and taught other people how to do it. But I don't think they ever did it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

My take on it is if that's what we can find out about these clandestine orgs then the truth is almost certainly at least slightly more incriminating. I dont trust them to tell or record the truth when they can't even pass an audit.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

god maga folk are the most unamerican beyond belief. The whole greatest generation is rolling over in their graves.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 hours ago

They voted in a Russian agent as the president. They are beyond evil. They are traitors.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is "gambling with WWIII," but it sure ain't Zelenskyy.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 hours ago

+100

Anyone who thought this would work out differently was simply not paying attention or was being willfully ignorant.

US provided a deal Zelinsky simply could not sign and they knew it. Chump set Zelinsky up for this shit show cause, in his world, Chump either gets the deal he wants or he gets to act/look tough.

And how masculine/tough to have Couchie there backing him up cause Chump isn't brave enough to do it all on his own.

And, of course, all concludes with disastrous results all around.

🤦‍♀️ 🖕 🖕 🤡

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

US gets to be the Nazis this time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago) (1 children)

Are we taking turns or...?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Trump’s Hot Take: If someone breaks into your home, begins stealing stuff and murdering your family, just stand by. You don’t want to cause a stir.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Real Art of The Deal shit.

Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago (6 children)

Coming from YouTube, all the comments were saying Trump put Zelenksy in his place.. are people actually that stupid, or is the whole internet edgy rightwing bots?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 26 minutes ago

A good chunk of the comments will be straight up Russian propaganda. Another good chunk will be Americans who have bought into that propaganda wholeheartedly.

It's an embarrassing time to be an American.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 50 minutes ago

I showed a clip of the meeting to someone I know and that is pretty much what they said.

We are so fucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago

The comment section of the video I watched said otherwise. Was the one you watched on the Fox channel by any chance? They be like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 37 minutes ago

Your comment had me go to YouTube to check, and almost all the top 30 comments were pro Zelensky.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 44 minutes ago

Trump is such a piece of shit, zelensky showed so much restraint. I think I would have slapped that traitor into the next dimension

[–] [email protected] 3 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

Has a VP ever sat with the president while meeting with a foreign president like this? Maybe Biden in Obama's first term? Cheney and Bush the 2nd behind closed doors but never in front of the cameras

[–] [email protected] 3 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago) (1 children)

I really wish Zelenskyy had said something to Trump like "Why are you letting him speak for you? Are you not the one in charge?"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 minutes ago

Anything Zelenskyy did would have been an excuse. There was no winning this exchange, short of Putin dying in the middle of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago

I just can't understand why Vance would interpret Zelenskyy as being disrespectful for politely, calmly, and carefully articulating his point of view on how diplomacy has failed him and his country. Vance seems like the type of person I would basically laugh at and walk away from if I were in a situation to have to hear him be "alpha and in-charge".

It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 hour ago

I don't know exactly how to put this, but I feel personally embarrassed by this.

I think this is going to shift world order more than expected. Every country now must be nuclear. Trump is going to try to install himself as a dictator. I think violence will have to be the answer. Man it's depressing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 hour ago

I know the main thing here is Vance and Trump backstabbing and bullying Zelenskyy, but I just want to point out that Trump repeatedly talked about "raw earth" instead of "rare earths". We're truly fucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

The restraint on Zelenskyy to not call him Krasnov to his face.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

You mean the only adult in the room?

[–] [email protected] 144 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

And then to top off his hissy fit, he kicked Zelenskyy out. Like the diaper wearing toddler he is.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

America is an enemy to freedom, democracy, and peace to the world; Americans just haven't felt it yet.

They will soon when the dictatorship turns violent, after all checks and balances are removed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago) (1 children)

Transgender Americans and other minority groups are feeling it for sure. It's just not the white suburban traditional family Americans who have felt the pinch yet (aside from the price of eggs).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago

Yeah, as i canadian I hope the petition is signed to allow trans folk to claim refugee status goes somewhere

[–] [email protected] 81 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Then he cut off all aid to Ukraine for rebuilding their power grid.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, i saw that too. What a fucking petulant child

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

A petulant child *operating at the behest of a foreign dictator. This whole Stupid Show he's put on around Ukraine has proven he has Putin's dick so far up his ass that it does all the talking for him.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago

You'll never convince your typical Trump voter that it's true is the main fucking issue though.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 hours ago

This really is the end of the US era. Nobody will count on them for things like this from now on. War was the one thing the US was good at, now they have nothing of value left for the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Shows his worst self

His honest self

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 hours ago

There is no other self. This is what he is.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

What an embarrassing way to behave. 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I love how he thought he was pulling a power move and then EVERYONE is like “don’s a bitch-ass pussy”. Fucking outstanding.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, accuse someone who just wants his country to survive a constant and ongoing aggression of "gambling with World War III", and kiss the ass of the aggressor despot who constantly threatens to nuke the world if someone looks at him wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

The strength to not knee that removed tub of lard in the face...

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