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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The only person who did something wrong was Trump, supported by his deputy. They did not only verbally attack Ukraine (and, by doing so, Europe), Trump and Vance didn't even pretend to make a case for American interests, given Vance's complaint about Zelensky who thanked U.S. ammunition workers in Pennsylvania when he travelled there, because, in the new U.S. administration's view, this is seen as a support for the Democratic party.

The only positive thing is that the meeting was held in front of TV cameras so the world could witness the self-sabotage of the United States of America. A 'behind the scene' treachery would supposedly be much more harmful to Ukraine. The picture becomes more complete if we look that earlier this week, the U.S. had already voted at the United Nations against Ukraine, siding with Russia and China.

But now, the truth is out: The two men now holding the highest office in the White House are ready to sell the U.S. and its allies to the worst dictators on the globe, as Trump literally admires bad persons as he has been saying over and again. This is a signal the world has finally received. In Ukraine and Europe, but also in Taiwan, and the rest of the Asia-Pacific region, in Africa, in Latin America. It's a tough issue for Ukraine and the democratic world that must now reorganize.

But the toughest long-term challenge is already out for the U.S. Its allies' lost trust won't recover, and the world's dictators will pursue their own goals (maybe even more than ever). The United States are alone in a connected, globalized world. And this means that, with or without Trump at the helm, it'll become increasingly difficult to make America great again.

I am convinced that this is not what the majority of U.S. people want for their country.

[Edit typo.]

[–] [email protected] 6 points 50 minutes ago

I'm worried America won't be alone for long. Other countries have fascists to deal with too.

If we resist them, we save the world. If we fail, the new world order will be Nazis everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

And he's correct.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance were the ones who threw a tantrum because zelensky didn't immediately agree to their plan.

[–] KingPyrox 10 points 2 hours ago

And they were pissed he didn't wear a suit 🤣

[–] [email protected] 118 points 6 hours ago

He didn't. He was the only adult there.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So all the European leaders are saying they stand with Ukraine. However that's nothing but "thoughts and prayers" until they bloody do something. Get some boots on the ground or planes in the air. Do something!

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 hours ago

The European Leaders are just worse at marketing themselves, but they are doing considerably more

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Fat Donnie did this to make Zelenskyy look bad (LOL) and shame him into complying on the "art of the steal" by a bully. It was also a way to make a public excuse for not supporting Ukraine and siding with his actual employer, puny putin.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine if Reagan could have lived long enough to see a republican steal his "make america great again" slogan, turn it into a cult, and then use that cult to be submissive to russia.

Takes a real shitbag to make Reagan look like the better option.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And I never thought I would se a President dumber than W. But the orange cancer sure blew that one away by 10,000,000 miles.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Narrator: he didn't.

Trump managed to find a way to make me even more embarrassed for our country and angry at his douchebagness.

Zelenskyy has the strength Private Bonespurs will never possess.

[–] corsicanguppy 24 points 5 hours ago

I saw that Pz Zelenskyy also thanked America for hosting him, as if he'd been calmly met by a proper head of state.

It takes a special kind of statesman to be blindsided by two half-wit kids and harangued on TV and then treat it as if it was business as usual.

Remember that Pz Zelenskyy is not your typical politician: he's a comedian who won the seat. How is it that this Everyman is more a leader and a collaborator, and those two are clowns out of the slow car?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

Can I upvote you 1000 times?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

He stood up to American traitors better than any American ever did.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

There was one. He was 18 or 19. Over the summer.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 7 hours ago

He did nothing wrong. Trump and Vance are comprised cowards. I'm sorry Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah - Trump, Vance & their ghouls planned this and there is nothing Zelensky could have done except maybe selling off his country to the russians

[–] adarza 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

the squishy stinky diaper was offering nothing. not a fucking god damn thing other than future betrayal...

a betrayal you know is coming, one that krasnov's been setting up for years now, and one that will forever tarnish relations between the u.s. and its long-time allies everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

krasnov

Just in case, "red" as in hair color is "рыжий" in Russian, so it would be Ryzhov.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Technically he's the first one to say something clearly out of protocol (of course Trump and Vance said a lot of irritating things), but countries don't break alliances over such things, and they've had a lot of time to discuss something without cameras, so it's simply a prepared scene.

I just don't know what's this supposed to illustrate. If it's a scene by Trump&Vance to "justify" drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it. If it's a scene by Zelensky, then what in the world would he gain by it. If it's a mutually agreed scene, then, again, see previous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

You have to remember that during Trump's first administration, there was a terrible U.S. ambassador who committed a hit-and-run in the UK, killing a cyclist. The victim’s family traveled to the U.S. to seek justice, hoping the president would revoke her diplomatic immunity since she had fled the country.

The moronic president, treating it like a reality TV stunt, had the ambassador unexpectedly pop into a meeting with the grieving family—on live TV—to say sorry. This is just how his broken brain operates.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If it’s a scene by Trump&Vance to “justify” drying out of military support, then why would Zelensky participate in it.

Zelensky is interested in public support.

There doesn't even have to be an agenda. It's a press meeting as a conclusion to talks. As elected leaders and/or representatives it makes sense to participate.

If he wouldn't have participated, how would that be better? They could still justify it - in even more of a vacuum to define their own views and spins. It would be worse.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 hours ago

I meant being rude too.