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Tougher laws are said to inspire clandestine attacks on the "property and machinery" of the fossil fuel economy.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 hours ago

I mean yeah, if protesting peacefully is also gonna be illegal, you might aswell get some real work done.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

If the police is though on peaceful protestors they'll turn into violent protestors.

it's funny because last month I've read Malm's how to blow up a pipeline a book where, considering that peaceful actions doesn't work he calls for violent protest regarding climate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think that's the spirit of the text, but he's very careful not to actually call for violent protest. Instead, he repeatedly just says that it should be considered for obvious reasons. The text has a "won't someone rid me of this meddlesome priest" effect. Regardless, he makes a compelling argument and the violence he considers is purely against property and not people so, unless you're a property fetishist, the degree of violence being considered is nothing compared to the violence of climate change.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Indeed, this is an important point, when talking about violence, he talks mostly about attacking equipement owned by fossilf-fuel companies so mostly victimless violence not about performing a Luigi Mangione

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 hours ago

Now that you mentioned it, here is a link for the book and the audiobook

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm all for better climate policy, but "because peaceful protest doesn't work" is a pretty bad justification. My peaceful protest to mandate wearing a colander in public won't work, but that doesn't mean that violent protest is justified.

Granted, I haven't read the book, so it might make a more nuanced argument.

A stronger argument is that you need to have a free and democratic opportunity to provide input. This is an easy case to make e.g. for slaves, or people under an apartheid regime. It might be possible to make the argument when it comes to e.g. multi-national companies having outsized influence on legislation, or other countries in which you can't vote instating policies that affect you.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

I'm all for better climate policy, but "because peaceful protest doesn't work" is a pretty bad justification. My peaceful protest to mandate wearing a colander in public won't work, but that doesn't mean that violent protest is justified.

Equating the climate crisis to forcing people to wear a colander is beyond braindead.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 hours ago

When you criminalise protesting only criminals will protest.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I was pleasantly suprised it wasn't the EU, rather UK. I mean sucks for the UK protesters but still glad it aint us.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm afraid this is not only for the UK

In Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, the Netherlands and the UK, authorities have responded to climate protests with mass arrests, the passing of draconian new laws, the imposing of severe sentences for non-violent protests and the labelling of activists as hooligans, saboteurs or eco-terrorists. the Guardian, Oct 2023

You might want to check out this report from Climate Rights International, Sep 2024. This one is not only talking about europe.

CRI CLIMATE PROTESTERS REPORT | On Thin Ice - Disproportionate Responses to Climate Change Protesters in Democratic Countries

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"Democratic" is a relative term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Of course. In this case, it refers to representative democracies and it is totally debatable how democratic they are.

Direct democracy on the other hand, is democratic. There is no question about that, no matter if one likes it or not.