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[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And he’s right. The Autopilot has not improved for the last 5 or so years. It rather has gotten worse. Phantom brakes are a nightmare and truly dangerous, the wind shield wiper is highly erratic and the lane departure warning is often just plain wrong and mostly annoying.

I really regret buying this car. And that is not even counting the disastrous image issues caused by the wannabe-Göbbels that owns the company.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is no one to sell it to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Sell it is actually an old Norse translation for the Norwegian "set it on fire and torch the remains" but I definitely see how you could get mixed up :-)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] GrindingGears 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's nice of you to assume that everyone is as rich as all these virtue signalling celebrities. Yes musk is a piece of shit, no I'm not buying another one until they torpedo his ass, yes autopilot is a scam. But I also happen to like the car, it suits our lifestyle the best, it has a five star safety rating and I'm not a Nazi just because I bought a certain kind of car a couple of years ago. Do what you want to the dealers, go after the corporate people, but leave the innocent consumers alone. None of us asked for this shit either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tesla also seems to be going down the toilet. Might be worth trying to gather technical data on them so that, once Tesla burns to the ground (figuratively), people can fix them.

[–] GrindingGears 1 points 3 days ago

They are going down the toilet, because they are distracted. Look, they were the most reliable EV, and they were at the forefront of the EV revolution. They built the most robust and reliable charging network (one of the key reasons we went with Tesla over Hyundai or other options), and flipped the automotive retail marketplace on their head.

But they also unfortunately have their hard work and progress overshadowed by a complete narcissistic manchild of a CEO. Who somehow controls the company with only 17% of shares held, who has a corrupt and compromised board on his side that will cater to his every little whims. A CEO who gets distracted, first with this Cybertruck nonsense, then X, then SpaceX, who then derails all innovation and future development with everyone focused on this autopilot distraction, and now all this. If I was a shareholder, I'd be furious. As a customer, I'm not sure I can rely on them anymore (could I ever?), so my future purchasing decisions will be made with that in mind.

What goes up, must come down I guess. Sigh.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago

Musk calling Wozniak a loser on shitter in 3, 2, 1…

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Woz has spoken. Ditch Tesla cars and buy something that isn't owned by a nazi gremlin.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

In Woz we trust (even if we don't buy from Apple)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Woz is one of the first people who would tell you not to buy apple. He loves to tinker

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I imagine he still owns plenty of Apple stock so he might tell you to buy Apple just because of that lol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Woz nearly went broke giving away his options when Jobs fucked a bunch of his friends over on their IPO, and has turned down so many offers in his life that would have made him even richer because he just doesn't care, he wants to tinker and share tech with other nerds.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Nah, he's set for life. Doesn't care much about money.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

He's a real nerd's nerd.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago

Telsa stopped providing the data needed to be included in the J.D. Power reliability rankings after they went from near the top to 2nd to last.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Cars should not have software updates

[–] ahal 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself. I think that's one of the things Tesla got right. Cars shouldn't have features locked behind software updates though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lol like Tesla was the first car to update software.

[–] ahal 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean... I still need to go into the dealer to update my 2021 Toyota software. And they certainly don't provide updates for anything other than safety related issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Tesla and Honda are 15 years behind on "tech", thankfully they spent their time on making engines that go 500000 miles

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is why technically software is a liability. The less code you need, the better, since every line of code is a potential vulnerability and something to maintain, update, etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Ideally I don't want my car to be a computer at all, maybe isolated chips to run the abs and such very well defined strictly necessary tasks but that's it. Maybe a company will happen to make a good car at one point in time, but there aren't any companies you can trust not to fuck it up if they have perpetual access to tinker with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, none of that would be a problem if the car isn’t connected to anything (WiFi, Bluetooth etc.)

[–] whoisearth 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They should but I'll go one further. Liability should be 100% with the auto manufacturers and car insurance should disappear or be drastically reduced assuming maintenance warranties are met. If I'm buying a FSD car I don't want any liabilities when it comes to safety.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

100%, the liability issue is the main reason I'm against self driving vehicles.

[–] whoisearth 1 points 5 days ago

Same. Until insurance reforms happen there is no incentive for me to have a self driving car.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I'm not into Apple, but I'm into Woz, and if he said it, it's true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Love Woz but this is a stupid take. FSD is the best of the best and has improved dramatically the last few months.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

There's a summary at the top of the article if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, but please don't write "stupid take" in response to an editor's headline and expect people to appreciate your input.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

"FSD is the best of the best and has improved dramatically the last few months.

Every musk fanboi has repeatedly claimed this "last few months" line for the past several years. If it was actually true the car would be sentient by now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

“Where to find the time of day changes depending on what [driving] mode you’re in,” he said. “The buttons that go through your six favorite channels don’t work if it’s satellite radio channels. It takes so many tries to hit one button in your jiggly car, and it just doesn’t work.”

Well, Woz. You're famous for doing a universal control panel for another prominent piece of consumer electronics and figuring out how to interface it to lots of different brands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_remote

In 1987, the first programmable universal remote control was released. It was called the "CORE" and was created by CL 9, a startup founded by Steve Wozniak, the inventor of the Apple I and Apple II computers.[2]

All you had to do then was to reverse-engineer the infrared protocols used to communicate with the televisions.

I bet that it's probably possible to figure out a way to have a third-party control panel interface with various auto UIs. Like, build a universal interface, and then just design mounting hardware on a per-car basis? Use Android Auto or CarPlay, OBD-II, and such?

Can Android Auto do climate control?

kagis

Sounds like it doesn't, but may start being able to do so:

https://www.androidauthority.com/android-auto-climate-controls-3533161/

Android Auto could be about to turn up the heat (and AC) on car comfort

Climate control may finally be coming to Google's in-car interface.

Android phones don't have physical buttons for car features. But...that's not a physical limitation. Just is a result of reusing a phone as a car panel.

So instead of having third-party car computers being the province of a few hobbyist hardware hackers, there's an out-of-box solution for everyone? Make the "Wozpanel" or whatever that I just mount in my car? Stick physical buttons on it? Maybe have a case and faceplate that wraps it to match interiors?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

There's also Android Automotive that can do that (separate from Android Auto).

The reason Tesla doesn't use that, is because they want to control what you experience. There's a reason you can't use your own music provider.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

…so is apple