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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 day ago (5 children)

One could argue it already is - mainly on a soft power level. Now that Ursula has chopped the chains off the war chest we can get back the hard power as well. I feel very good about this, it's rare to feel optimistic about the way your country and union is going...

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Yup yup... A little scary though...

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

That is the reason why I gotta just trust that the people running the country and EU know what they are doing.

I am in Finland and I really do trust we are doing what we need to, our defense forces and government is very shush shush regarding defense, every government and defense outlet was adamant that we weren't joining NATO until the foreign minister and president announced the move. At least in a country of 5 million we are really thinking of each other here. Let's just hope that is the case for the rest of the EU and the overall union.

Slava Ukraini

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (23 children)

For the love of God Europe, we need a world power that actually respects human rights, not outright rejects them like Russia, pretends to embrace like America, or outright rejects them while tankies pretend that China embraces them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

You're looking in the wrong place. Several EU members have far right leaders already, many more are moving right. The EU (and UK) are about 4 or 5 years behind the US. Don't confuse disagreement with Trump over Ukraine with meaningful ideological differences.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just for clarification, that's EU and not Europe. Yes, i'm in the hole in the center.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

So, already a world power.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

We tried that a few times, and war/imperialism crimes.

But this time it will be diffident. We is evolved now.
(Never mind the rising support of the alt-right parties in the last decade.)

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think "World Power" is not that desirable. The US was a world power, look what they had to do and what culture they had to develop to become one. Same for the Soviets. Same for a surging China, becoming more imperialist by the day. Your emotions may tell you "yes!!!", but the reality is - it will not benefit you much, it will mostly benefit your rulers.

I'd rather have the power of the EU in service of getting a proper, international organisation like the UN capable enough to do its job.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As an American with an insanely good job and life square in middle class, I'll fucking move over there in a heartbeat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

I wouldn't. The EU / Europe as it exists right now in 2025 might, and that's a definite might, look better than America but it's going to look very different in 10 to 20 years. Every nation in the EU is standing on an economic knife edge while waiting for their demographic bomb to go off.

The European rearmement that's being discussed makes it worse; when things go bad, and they will, they'll be armed up and ready to repeat their last 2,000 years of near constant warfare.

Unless your over 65 its quite likely that you'll see it happen in your lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Simply whip up an F35 program overnight. No big.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

'old my cup of wine...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Just spin up the largest military manufacturing industry on the planet. Ez pz

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We've done that already a few times. After over 3000 years of empires must we really? Again? The Greek empire, the roman empire, the spanish empire, the holy roman empire, the dutch golden century, the British (largest globe spanning empire ever) and French empires, Austria Hungaria and I'm quite certain even Portugal had its day. And let's not forget Germany. Or the Soviet union and tsarist Russia. Also nice as far as empires go.

Anyway..

Sigh.

Fine.

But dont come crying if you dont like the outcome.

Pax Americana only ended because you guys voted for it. We where fine with it, hanging out, buying your shit. Using your tech.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago

please don't try to do this again.

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