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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fun fact: The sun is the hardest place to get to in the solar system. It’s less dV to leave entirely than to get to Mercury

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (8 children)

can you explain why? cuz that doesnt make sense to me

[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The solar system is doing this

Which makes you go like this

And while it's possible to make your way towards the center, it's difficult

And this requires less work

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Please consider becoming a science teacher.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Might have to move to a different country if in the US. But I agree.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago

Dudes been waiting for a reason to use these lol

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Best explanation!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck. Is that you, Kyle Hill?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Is Kyle Hill on Lemmy? Somebody ask him next stream!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

The earth is going around the sun pretty fast, and you need to counteract that speed to get to the sun.

But when you’re leaving you can use the earths orbital velocity to give you a boost.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

https://xkcd.com/681_large/

The sun creates a big gravity well. The earth happens to be quite close to the top of this well (because of the inverse square low). It takes about the same energy to go down and up the gravitational well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

if your object has just enough velocity to escape Earth's gravity, it'll begin orbiting the Sun, it won't fall directly towards it.

I'm going to oversimplify this : if you want your object to hit the sun after leaving the Earth, it has to have the velocity of the Earth (30 km/s) but in the opposite direction of it's orbit around the Sun.

you also should take into account the massive distance between us anl the Sun (150 million km). so you have to aim properly, otherwise your object is gonna enter a very elliptical orbit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

It makes a lot more sense once you consider where you are starting from: a rock hurtling around the sun at breakneck speed (29.8 km/s). You can not really bullseye something when you are going almost 30 km per second sideways to it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Orbital mechanics can be a bit counter intuitive.

To raise an orbit you need to speed up, but your overall orbital speed will decrease, since the distance grows the higher the orbit gets. So you'll need to speed up to reach escape velocity to escape Earth's gravitational pull, once you managed that, you enter the orbit around the sun. To lower an orbit you'll need to lower your speed, while your orbital velocity will increase, since the orbit gets smaller.

The "fuel" of a space craft is measured in Delta v, which describes the ability to change the velocity of the vehicle, the unit is m/s or km/s To reach a low earth orbit you need around 10.000 m/s Delta v, if I'm not mistaking another 9.000 m/s to escape velocity, then you're in a sun orbit, I don't know how much you need from there, but id say at least another 15-20km/s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There’s been plenty of explanations already, but here’s a perspective I think can help:

Your original intuition is entirely correct for an object that appeared next to earth but which isn’t moving relative to the sun. It would fall straight in with very little trouble. If it’s moving a little sideways then it’d need to be nudged to make sure it didn’t miss the sun.

But the Earth is moving super fast sideways, so an object coming from Earth would need to be nudged a lot to not miss the sun.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

dV also called delta V is the change in velocity required. Higher means more fuel is required and so making the rocket is harder. The earth orbits the sun at a very high speed and so to get to a planet much further inward requires slowing down a lot. You can look up escape velocity which is the velocity required to exit a gravitational body completely.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

You can look up escape velocity which is the velocity required to exit a gravitational body completely.

That's also what makes getting to the sun so difficult. At first you got to speed up to escape velocity to escape the Earth's gravitational pull, then you enter an orbit AROUND the sun, where you will have to slow down by a lot to lower your orbit enough to get into the sun. Miscalculate and you'll fling yourself out of the solar system.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Yeah, when I starter playing Kerbal I figured jt'd be super easy, but I forgot that the planets are moving FAST.