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ROME, March 22 (Reuters) - Negotiations on a potential contract between Elon Musk's satellite internet operator Starlink and the Italian government have stalled, reflecting broader geopolitical tensions, Italy's defence minister said on Saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Every major powerblock will build their own constellation. The need is there, but there is no way that the militaries will give that amount of control to the USA & Musk now. Musk switched of starlink in a critical phase for Ukraine and that was the dead of the program for militaries outside of the USA

[–] phoenixz 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No, because for 99% of applications byoubdont need low latency satellite internet. A single geostationary satellite works wonders

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

That single satellite is toast at the start of every major conflict

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fuck Starlink. Europe is working on its own alternative and it would be actual traitor behaviour to still make a Starlink contract. If anything it should be banned.

Fuck Elon Musk. I want to see him crying and poor. Or β€žworseβ€œ. ☺️πŸͺ¦πŸ’€

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They will literally do everything except just installing freaking fiber cables

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

As a German I hear you. Internet is an actual embarrassment over here. I’m on a 50k Mbit connection and that’s the most they can offer me. 100k is out of question, they told me to ask again in 2028.

Even some African nations probably have better internet than this. Germany is the third richest country by gdp btw.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, even some african nations huh?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes. I mean…. Name a developed one besides South Africa.

Africa is currently a shithole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Morocco and Egypt are pretty well developed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’re on a 50 Gbps connection and you want more?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lmao. I wish. I am on a 50 MBIT (not GBIT) connection. And yes. I want more. Please give me just a few crumbs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The confusion/sarcasm is because you say 50k mbit --> 50 000 mbit --> 50 gbit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh I’m sorry I might be kind of an idiot in IT stuff. What I meant was 50.000 megabytes. Which is poor as hell. Even for developing countries.

Really, all I know is that my connection sucks and that I’m on the lowest posisible speed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

No, I think you mean 50 megabits per second. I'd consider 100mbit (megabits) average, 50 000 megabits, which is equal to 50 gigabits (or β…›th of 50 000 megabytes) would be ludicrously unnecessarily much for a residential connection today, and it'd be hard to find hardware to support it.

Just for reference:

  • Modern DDR5 Random Access Memory can be bought for 8000 mega transfers per second, which is pretty high end. According to wikipedia, this is roughly 64 gigabytes per second.

  • PCIe 4 SSDs can reach up to 7GB/s or 56 gigabit/s of data transfer speeds. PCIe 5 drives cap out at roughly 16GB/s or about 128gb/s.

I don't think your internet would be quite that fast, or at least you wouldn't be complaining about it πŸ˜…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Yeah you’re probably right. Thanks for the correction.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With modern wireless technology, fiber isn't even necessary. 5G is cheap and easy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fiber needs to be run to the towers. It's easier to install more towers but it's still an expense.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, towers can be connected wirelessly with each other.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Wireless trunking can do 10GBs . Fiber does 800GBs. Chaining more towers means more are funneled through that last 10GBs link.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We are comparing against Starlink, dude.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

StarLink does fiber back haul from base stations. So it's either your Telco spending the money or StarLink. Your Telco doesn't want to spend the money because it comes from customers and would require rate hikes that are regulated.

Whereas StarLink is spending its investor's money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

At some point, a wireless mesh of towers will also be connected to the internet by fiber.

I don't know if your are autistic, AI or just an asshole.

But the context is rural broadband internet, someone said you have to build out a fiber network, I said you can just roll-out 5G and use MiFi, which is in fact the most common solution for rural broadband internet worldwide.

I never meant to imply that you can run broadband without a single fiber cable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I used to run an ISP. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.