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[โ€“] [email protected] 64 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Of course they will.

People in Germany as well as internationally spend the last 3ยฝ years pushing daily propaganda about the oh-so-useless German government to get the conservatives back in to office.

You know, the same corrupt and fossil-fuel addicted people that manufactured a dependence on Russian oil and gas. The same ones that destroyed the Bundeswehr. The same ones that spend the last years building up connections to US MAGA morons and getting help from them on how to campaign on lies and culture war while operating purely on obstruction. The ones that love to fuck over their citizens and country for money.

So they will of course keep the F-35 order. With their newly found money (from debts that were totally unacceptable as long as they were not in power) they will probably find an excuse to order even more or kill some other German/European projects to buy overpriced US crap instead. Just like they are already talking plans to restart Nordstream to import gas from Russia again, this time with US cooperation, because dependence on two hostile nations is even better than on one.

The morons get exactly what they voted for and will cheer, completely ignoring reality because the lies poured into their damaged brains sound so nice. All while laughing about US voters for doing exactly the same.

I really hope for a big meteor soon, to save this planet.

[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I am not a fan of invented (if truthy) quotes here. (Besides the quote being in German in addition.)

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is not really a verbal quote. It represents their politics and scare tactics about high energy prices and freezing while winter.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly the point. It shows Merz next to an invented quote. If you don't think about it, it looks as if it's a quote from Merz.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I understand your argument in theory, there's another point: who cares if the quote is real in this specific case?

Merz is a pathological liar. So you can either truthfully quote him or tell the truth.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't really see how telling the truth necessitates putting quote characters around something he didn't say. Especially not in front of an audience who don't know Merz as well as politically-inclined Germans do and who may read the words in the sharepic using Google Translate or similar.

The road to fakes like the below is lined with sharepics like the above. I don't think it makes sense to use the same means as right-wing post-truth propagandists.

Fake (German)

fake Claudia Roth quote

Notably, while this fake has the same basic layout, it even omits the quote characters and includes some "this is satire" small print.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where to draw the line to satire?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

At the very least it should be marked and it should not use quotes, imo. Bonus points for not being in German and for being obvious satire to non-Germans.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That's just satire. That "quote" is so obviously not a quote.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What does modern in case of aircrafts even mean? And can't the Dassault Rafale carry nuclear weapons?

[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The nuclear weapons in Germany are from the US, and the US refuses to help adapt them for fighter jets other than US made.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Since nukes are under US control, why does Germany need to carry them?

[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The NATO nuclear weapons sharing agreement allows Germany to use ~15 American nuclear weapons when under attack.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Thanks, TIL.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

mhm, that sucks but its understandable. Guess we could purchase them from France?

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

we better solve our satelite and anti air capacity, before we tell agent orange to fuck off.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

You need tiers of capability. Nukes are one, but a more readily used one is the ability to knock out (or at least suppress) ground based air defense. Stealth aircraft like the F-35 are perfect for this mission, they can get in range, fire off an anti-radiation missile, and get out. Non-stealth aircraft may be forced to turn back before they get their shot off, thus leaving the enemy air-defense active and forcing a scrub of the planned attack on what the air defense was defending.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

maybe the germans plan to strip them down to the last bolt and reverse engineer them