Not while the devs run a pro-genocide echo chamber. Tankie punks fuck off.
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If half the people circlejerking in here were serious they could pay a liberal developer to contribute instead, but somehow I doubt that's happening.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/18374613
I'll donate money to individual instances, but for as long as Nutomic/Dessalines is in charge of the .ml instance I will not be donating to them.
This is, unfortunately, the necessary view to take. Lemmy the software is a net positive, but nobody should be giving money to support their extremism and love of censorship, particularly when it happens on whatβs arguably the βofficialβ instance.
Numotic and Dessalines actively cultivate very toxic content:
- Pro-Russia, blaming Ukraine as a Nazi aggressor;
- Pro-Chinese Communist Party, banning discussion of the mistreatment of the Uighur minority or the anti-democratic takeover of Hong Kong;
- Anti-Semitic, going way beyond the confines of criticism of the current Israeli government, on to hateful comments about all Israelis as a people, and sometimes Jews in general,
- Pro-Communism, at times advocating for the violent overthrow of Western governments by Marxist groups.
- Strongly in favor of left wing dictatorships, like Venezuela, decrying any discussion of human rights and democracy as capitalist propaganda.
If you disagree with these positions, too bad! Because your posts will be deleted, or youβll get banned, or your instance defederated, from ml.
Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy
They should spend more time devving and less time mod actioning wrongthink
Agreed. I'd like to support continued development of Lemmy, but I'm hesitant to do so knowing that part of those donations go to lemmy.ml's server upkeep.
Am I wrong or is the same person making fun of the ridiculous censorship rules on Reddit while enforcing similar ridiculous censorship rules on their own .ml instance?
Yeah, .ml is usually a giant circle jerk and often removes comments/posts that are critical of things like the CCP.
No ads and no algorithm isn't free.
Folks, open your wallets and throw a few bucks Lemmy's way. I'm a monthly donor myself, and I consider it money well-spent compared to the shit show that is every other social media platform.
I just logged into Liberapay, and then I saw their profile pictures. Remembered I can't donate to tankies (inb4: I didn't say communists) any more I could maga supporters. or IDF apologists
lemmy.ml:
Hey but they're not that bad! Nutomic responded in this thread:
I certainly dont praise or support civilians being displaced from their homes.
Isn't it wonderfully vague? ~~You know who expressed the same sadness about displaced people? guess~~ (I can't find a source/misremembered? my bad)
You can remove all ambiguity by saying who is the unequivocal aggressor responsible for the gruesome death of thousands of young men and civilians in Ukraine.
How's the denazification going, guys?
While I understand the moral objections people have to supporting the developers, I do think its fair to highlight how they do not treat us.
We are not a product here to be exploited and advertised to. They also respect your choice to block ml and not to interact with them at all for the rest. I am sure I would be absolutely abhorred by the depth of depravity of your average silicon valley CEO's hot takes, but they dont share it for this exact reason. Instead they just design their entire product and business around it, which is the enshittification we all know and hate.
People you dont agree with having a place of their own on the fediverse is a logical consequence of the idea behind it, and while uncomfortable, is a greater good in the end.
But to maintain that it means putting your money where your mouth. If not to them, to your own instance.
All this is very confusing to me. I had to look up what tankies are and if these giuys are tankies then they can go fuck themselves. I came here from reddit and now I am thinking I might have made a mistake. I don't know enough aboput this federated stuff to understand it. I have no idea how to block .ml nor do I know who these people are who run it. I do know that I had a very close Ukrainian friend as a child and although he is dead now I still see the Ukrainian people are brothers and sisters. I am not sure I want to give any of my money to an intance that actively shits out fucking ork propaganda. I need some educating here.
You're on .world, .world already defederates (Will not accept content, votes or users) from 2/3rds of what's known as the "Tankie Triad" (.ml, Hexbear and Grad, .world is defeded from grad and hex)
For blocking go-to lemmy.world/settings block tab and scroll to bottom to "instance blocks" and add lemmy.ml
Note: The "block" currently does not function properly, it's more of a mute, you won't see .ml comments or posts, but they can see and interact with it
I wouldn't say you made a mistake. Lemmy is still a great place and instances like lemmy.world you're on, are run by down to earth people like you and me.
It's just that Lemmy's core code is (primarily) developed by people who ... well, have some opinions. However, that probably shouldn't even matter. Developers' opinions are just that - opinions. They don't put any of their opinions into the code. And that code is then taken by people of lemmy.world to run the instance.
And up until now it wasn't a big issue, it was more like a curiosity "Hah, this great piece of software is developed by those guys. Well I strongly disagree with them and want to have nothing with their instance and their opinions". But now it starts to be an issue when they ask for money. People are naturally reluctant
You seem to be forgetting that the two devs are active admins on both ML and grad. And at least one of them does spend a lot of time banning any critique of their pro-genocide views.