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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

FTA: The user considered it was the unpaid volunteer coders’ “job” to take his AI submissions seriously. He even filed a code of conduct complaint with the project against the developers. This was not upheld. So he proclaimed the project corrupt. [GitHub; Seylaw, archive]

This is an actual comment that this user left on another project: [GitLab]

As a non-programmer, I have zero understanding of the code and the analysis and fully rely on AI and even reviewed that AI analysis with a different AI to get the best possible solution (which was not good enough in this case).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Microsoft has set up copilot to make contributions for the dotnet runtime https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115762 I'm sure maintainers spends more time to review and interact with copilot than it would have to write it themselves

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am not a programmer and I think it's silly to think that AI will replace developers.

But I was working through a math problem in Moscow Puzzles with my kiddo.

We had solved it, but I wasn't sure he got it at a deep level. So I figured I'd do something in Excel or maybe just do cut outs. But I figured I'd try to find a web app that would do this better. Nothing really came up that was a good match. But then thought, let's see how bad AI programming can be. I'd fought with it over some excel functions and it's been mainly useful in pointing me in the right direction, but only occasionally getting me over the finish line.

After about 6 to 8 hours of work, a little debugging, havinf teach and quiz me occasionally, and some real frustration of pointing out that the feature previously changed and re-emeged, I eventually had something that worked.

The Shooting Range Simulator is a web-based application designed to help users solve a logic puzzle involving scoring points by placing blocks on vertical number lines.

A buddy developer friend of mine said: "I took a quick scroll through the code. Looks pretty clean, but I didn't dive in enough to really understand it. Definitely all that css BS would take me ages to do without AI."

I don't take credit for this and don't pretend that this was my work, but I know my kiddo is excited to try the tool. I hope he learns from it and we bond over a math problem.

I know that everyone is worried about this tool, but moments like those are not nothing. Personally, I'm a Luddite and think the new tools should be deployed by the people's livelihood it will effect and not the business owners.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Personally, I’m a Luddite and think the new tools should be deployed by the people’s livelihood it will effect and not the business owners.

Thank you for correctly describing what a Luddite wants and does not want.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, despite the irrational phobia amongst the Lemmings, AI is massively useful across a wide range of examples like you've just given as it reduces barriers to building something.

As a CS grad, the problem isn't it replacing all programmers, at least not immediately. It's that a senior software engineer can manage a bunch of AI agents, meaning there's less demand for developers overall.

Same way tools like Wix, Facebook, etc came in and killed the need for a bunch of web developers that operated in the range for small businesses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

As a CS grad, the problem isn’t it replacing all programmers, at least not immediately. It’s that a senior software engineer can manage a bunch of AI agents, meaning there’s less demand for developers overall.

Yes! You get it. That right there proves that you'll make it through just fine. So many in this thread denying that Ai is gonna take jobs. But you gave a great scenario.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

If AI was good at coding, my game would be done by now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I'll admit I did used AI for code before, but here's the thing. I already coded for years, and I usually try everything before last resort things. And I find that approach works well. I rarely needed to go to the AI route. I used it like for .11% of my coding work, and I verified it through stress testing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can Open Source defend against copyright claims for AI contributions?

If I submit code to ReactOS that was trained on leaked Microsoft Windows code, what are the legal implications?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

If I submit code to ReactOS that was trained on leaked Microsoft Windows code, what are the legal implications?

None. There is a good chance that leaked MS code found its way into training data, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

what are the legal implications?

It would be so fucking nice if we could use AI to bypass copyright claims.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

"No officer, i did not write this code. I trained AI on copyright material and it wrote the code. So im innocent"

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It’s not good because it has no context on what is correct or not. It’s constantly making up functions that don’t exist or attributing functions to packages that don’t exist. It’s often sloppy in its responses because the source code it parrots is some amalgamation of good coding and terrible coding. If you are using this for your production projects, you will likely not be knowledgeable when it breaks, it’ll likely have security flaws, and will likely have errors in it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

And I'll keep saying this: you can't teach a neural network to understand context without creating a generalised context engine, another word for which is AGI.

Fidelity is impossible to automate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

So you're saying I've got a shot?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Have you used AI to code? You don't say "hey, write this file" and then commit it as "AI Bot 123 [email protected]".

You start writing a method and get auto-completes that are sometimes helpful. Or you ask the bot to write out an algorithm. Or to copy something and modify it 30 times.

You're not exactly keeping track of everything the bots did.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (14 children)

yeah, that's... one of the points in the article

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AI is at its most useful in the early stages of a project. Imagine coming to the fucking ssh project with AI slop thinking it has anything of value to add 😂

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

The early stages of a project is exactly where you should really think hard and long about what exactly you do want to achieve, what qualities you want the software to have, what are the detailed requirements, how you test them, and how the UI should look like. And from that, you derive the architecture.

AI is fucking useless at all of that.

In all complex planned activities, laying the right groundwork and foundations is essential for success. Software engineering is no different. You won't order a bricklayer apprentice to draw the plan for a new house.

And if your difficulty is in lacking detailed knowledge of a programming language, it might be - depending on the case ! - the best approach to write a first prototype in a language you know well, so that your head is free to think about the concerns listed in paragraph 1.

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