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    [–] [email protected] 136 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    Why should I not use systemd?

    [–] [email protected] 135 points 6 days ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Perfectly legitimate reason to do/ not do anything

    /s

    [–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago

    I disagree.

    [–] [email protected] 92 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    When you want to feel special but not enough to go to the effort of using FreeBSD

    [–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago

    I already am special enough, my mom said so

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    [–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

    because the over 70 different binaries of systemd are "not modular" because they are designed to work together. What makes a monolith is, apparently, the name of the overarching project, not it being a single binary (which again, it's not)

    [–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago

    If I cared about modularity I'd use something like Hurd, but i actually need to get shit done

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    [–] uninvitedguest 35 points 5 days ago (3 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago
    [–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago

    "systemd is the worst implementation of init, except all those other inits that have been tried from time to time" -Churchill, if he had been a nerd

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Since you asked for OS and not Linux: OpenBSD and FreeBSD are beautiful systems w/o systemd. I would switch in a heartbeat if I wouldn't need Linux for work reasons.

    [–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

    This feels like an "I would switch to Linux if I didn't need Windows for work" comment from another universe.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

    Fediverse has its own baseline.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Fair point. :-)

    At the end of the day, the OS has to run the software/applications one needs to get shit done... if it is macOS or Windows, that's okay.

    In my defense, I ran NetBSD for several years a long time back, and it was one of the best OS experiences I ever had. I am just old/pragmatic/flexible enough, to choose setups with less friction, if possible. ;-)

    Still, I think it is a shame that Linux mostly took over the UNIX world and the BDS are left for hardcore nerds/embedding/game consoles and Solaris and co are not viable options anymore. Portable software and its stability benefited a lot from bugs detected on other platforms (OpenBSD was always a forerunner here).

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    BSD is to Linux users what Linux is to Windows users.

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    [–] [email protected] 60 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd? I use Mint and I don't remember having to interact with that kind of low-level nonsense. The distro maintainers can use whatever reasoning they want to pick these details.

    [–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago

    Tribalism exists in every circle, perhaps moreso in tech circles. Ironically anyone who hates on a distro could just switch, or build their own distro if they were so inclined, but it's often the hating that people participate more in than using their system. Use what works for you, and if it no longer works for you use something else.

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    [–] [email protected] 64 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    Void, because it works really well on my super low-resource chromebook!

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    [–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

    So the old init.d system was better? Come on people, let's stop infighting. I have zero preference on init systems. You know why? Because they're just plumbing. Stop this nonsense. Do I click on an init system? Do I use the init system to check my email? Or play games? No. I know poettering can be controversial, but let's just move on. Run freebsd if you're so butt hurt.

    [–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

    Yeah, on a desktop I don't really mind whatever*. On a server however, I think systemd is great and I wouldn't want to miss it anymore.

    * except Debian's frankenstein systemd + sysvinit combination. Burn it

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    So much more than an init system though, which I think is why people don't like it. Personally, the only annoyance I have is I preferred log files over journald.

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    [–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

    ReactOS.

    I have no moral or philosophical objections to the design of Windows NT, just the company that makes it and the enshittification. If ReactOS ever becomes stable enough to be daily used I would use it. For now I use LinuxMint and Steam OS at home.

    [–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

    I have a moral objection: backslash () usage in file paths.

    [–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Probably Artix, because it's like Arch, and I use Arch btw

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    [–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    systemd is fine. The only people I've ever heard complain about it are lonely neckbeards pretending like their opinion somehow matters.

    I've used Debian as a server system since it was using init.d. And do you know what I found? systemd is easier. And the fact that Debian of all distros decided to use it says a lot.

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    [–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    I have to say as someone who uses NixOS I love systemd, because it makes a lot of things very easy. For example hardening services ( systemd-analyze security) or replacing cron (system timer).

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (9 children)
    [–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

    All I hear about it is that it doesn't follow the Unix philosophy of a program should do one thing and do it well. And while it does seem quite large and do a lot of things, out of all the times I have broken my system, systemd has never been to blame.

    Edit: deleted duplicate comment.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

    Wait until people find out about the Linux kernel. It does so many things!

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    It tries to do everything.

    Think of a thing you want to do in Linux and there is a systemd plugin for it. It’s not the unix way

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

    Wait until you learn about the Linux kernel and the plethora of modules and patches

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Not everything is a file either. I don't see many complaints about that

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    [–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    An hour in and no mention of Slackware yet?

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    [–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Alpine.

    Have used crux but using low end / old hardware results in almost permanent building software.

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    [–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (12 children)

    System service managers like systemd, OpenRC, runit, or SysVinit often come down to user preference. While these systems are crucial for initializing and managing services on servers, where uptime, resource allocation, and specific daemon behaviors are important, their impact on a typical desktop or laptop is generally minimal.

    For most personal devices, the primary functions of a service manager occur largely out of sight. As long as the system boots reliably and applications run smoothly, the underlying service manager rarely registers as a significant factor in the daily user experience.

    For many, including myself, systemd simply works without much fuss. My choice to stick with it isn't due to strong conviction or deep technical analysis, but rather the simple fact that I've rarely, if ever, had to interact with it directly. For my personal desktop and laptop, it reliably handles booting, service management, and shutdown in the background. If it's not broken and isn't hindering my daily computing, there's no compelling reason to explore alternatives.

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    [–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Debian that i haven't updated in 10 years

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    [–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Debian, installed without systemd as per the wiki. So far I've not hit any issues, whilst I've recently ended up diving through both kernel and systemd code to find the root cause of an issue I was hitting on one server. I could have just bodged past it, but I wanted to actually understand what the issue was, and what else it was going to affect.

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    [–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

    GNU cat

    You mean GNU cat?

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

    Neither Haiku or 9front use systemd, and they're both very interesting from a technical and design perspective (though not for their init systems).

    If it has to be a Linux distribution I would say Damn Small Linux (DSL), because its really impressive just how few resources it requires. You can run x windows and even browse the web (using Dillo) on a system that's small enough to fit in the L3 cache of some modern CPUs.

    I don't daily drive any of these though, so they might not count as my "favorite".

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