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we must maintain the status quo (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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To anyone who supports capitalism or otherwise opposes socialism:

Do you support the idea that one man can accumulate enough wealth to own all land of this Earth, making everyone born in his empire under his rule as long as he can kill to defend it? What prevents capitalism from accomplishing this in law? What law exists that limits the borders of nations?

Why, then, must we endure a system where a single man owning the Earth and enslave it is a feature, not a bug?

https://dice.camp/@sean/114698774200264413

I just wanna know what people think. Why must this be maintained? Why is any opposition to capping wealth just the end of the world when it probably would save it, just logically thinking it through?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If we hate capitalism and want socialism, we need to recognise that most people do not really know what those words mean, or are even intimidated by them. We need to use very plain language - fewer isms - if we want to bring people with us. Otherwise we are just preaching to the choir.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Tim Walz's attempt to rebrand social democratic policies as neighborliness might be a good start.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No doubt, but I'm talking to people who care about the term capitalism so much that they'll be considered "pro capitalism." That's fine if you're not a capitalist, but I'm not trying to argue that people who are already not pro capitalism should be against it, I'm trying to argue that people who are pro capitalism should be against it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Fair.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Generally agree on not assuming a high level understanding but

fewer isms

Okay but this specific phrasing makes me want to violence you. Would you be amenable to this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Knock yourself (or me!) out :) But there is an irony in not liking the word "isms" in an argument against using them in their full / correct form.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Organisms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Schisms!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (5 children)

anyone who hates socialism must hate driving their truck on all of those free roads.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

And they should pay the fire department for saving their home.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

This is the first anti-capitalism post on Lemmy I can agree with. Not because I think capitalism is bad (but what we see now actually is bad and ugly, no question there), but because it poses a valid question: if you are against whatever looks like socialism, go on and explain how current fuckery should be the norm. Thank you for posting this

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

this is an interesting analogy that i haven't heard before. it doesn't seem like a fully fleshed out analogy though. it jumps between concepts without making the links apparent.

would anyone like to expand upon this analogy for us? how do we get from ruling everything, to killing, to borders, to law, to economics?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I look forward to seeing an evolution of thought, theory and practice in the next few years.

I think there are effective ways to undo this problem that are not born yet

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If only one man owns everything, then expropriation would be really fast in theory

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Not if he's surrounded by dead bodies, but capitalism can't prevent that either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

UHMMM AKSHUALLY (🤓) a single man cannot own all of earth, given how liberalism is heavily propagated and maintained by concepts such as nationalism and by extension xenophobia, racism, bigotry - all that fun stuff.

If a single man or an entity tried to create some pan-cosmopolitan world where every piece of land is under a single world-wide country, you bet your ass there's gonna be countless of reactionary national liberation movements to proclaim sovereignty.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

There's sort of an unstated rule that capitalism needs black markets / organized crime to work, so, criminals would stop this

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