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Also why does everyone seem to hate on Ubuntu?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I don't really understand either. Where are the Gentoo and LFS elitists? It seams like there should be more of those than arch elitests. Maybe it's just because more people use arch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

it was made by rocky horror picture show

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Anything really polarizing can end up with a cult following. Just look at Rust.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The shortest answer -

Arch has really good documentation and a release style that works for a lot of people.

Ubuntu is coorporitized and less reliable Debian with features that many people dont need or want.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Can you elaborate a bit on don't need or want software?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)

like forcing snap or amazon search ads back in the day

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Or mir, or pulseaudio before it was ready, or deprecating ffmpeg for half a year... Etc etc

[–] caseyweederman 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They pushed systemd really early too, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

They pushed their own init system, Upstart, before jumping onto the systems bandwagon.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

In some release they removed gdebi package installer so it made unavailable to install deb files with gui

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

“Bloat” the less system there is (while still working as a modern system) the better. If i need something i can install it myself.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The biggest one: Snaps.

I switched from Ubuntu to Debian, and it's basically the same thing, just faster since it uses native packages instead of Snaps. Ubuntu might as well run all it's apps in Docker containers.

You could rebrand Debian to Ubuntu and most users wouldn't even notice.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I like arch because:

  • it is rolling release and I like having up to date software and not having to deal with distro upgrades breaking things
  • it is community run and not beholden to a company
  • packages are mostly unmodified from their upstream
  • the wiki and forums are the best of any distro
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
 :: Searching AUR for notes...

 -> Missing AUR Packages: SideNote

 there is nothing to read

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

About 10 years ago it was The Distro for first time linux users to prove they were a True Linux Enjoyer. Think a bunch of channers bragging about how they are the true linux master race because they edited a grub config.

Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo. Since then that role has transitioned to NixOS who aren't nearly as toxic but still culty. "Way of the future" etc.

All three of have high bars of entry so everyone has to take pride in the effort they put in to learn how to install their distro. Like getting hazed into a frat except you actually learn something.

The Ubuntu hatred is completely unrelated. That has to do with them being a corporate distro that keep making bad design decisions. And their ubiquity means everyone has to deal with their bad decisions. (snap bad)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Before Arch that role belonged to Gentoo.

To add, before the change the Gentoo wiki was a top resource when it came to Linux questions. Even if you didn't use Gentoo you could find detailed information on how various parts of Linux worked.

One day the Gentoo wiki died. It got temporary mirrors quickly, but it took a long time to get up and working again. This left a huge opening for another wiki, the Arch wiki, to become the new top resource.

I suspect, for a number of reasons, Arch was always going to replace Gentoo as the "True Linux Explorer", but the wiki outage accelerated it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is it mostly for sure. I used to be that True Linux Enjoyer. I still install arch sometimes but I only ever use an arch-derived distribution now that comes with an installer. I already feel like there’s not enough time in the day without having to manually copy files off a USB stick

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Normal people who use Arch don't bring it up much, because they're all sick of the memes and are really, REALLY tired of immediately being called rude elitist neckbeard cultists every time they mention it.

The Ubuntu hate is because Canonical has a long history of making weird, controversial decisions that split the Linux community for no good reason.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

I don't really have a concise answer, but allow me to ramble from personal experience for a bit:

I'm a sysadmin that was VERY heavily invested in the Microsoft ecosystem. It was all I worked with professionally and really all I had ever used personally as well. I grew up with Windows 3.1 and just kept on from there, although I did mess with Linux from time to time.

Microsoft continues to enshittify Windows in many well-documented ways. From small things like not letting you customize the Start menu and task bar, to things like microstuttering from all the data it's trying to load over the web, to the ads it keeps trying to shove into various corners. A million little splinters that add up over time. Still, I considered myself a power user, someone able to make registry tweaks and PowerShell scripts to suit my needs.

Arch isn't particularly difficult for anyone who is comfortable with OSes and has excellent documentation. After installation it is extremely minimal, coming with a relatively bare set of applications to keep it functioning. Using the documentation to make small decisions for yourself like which photo viewer or paint app to install feels empowering. Having all those splinters from Windows disappear at once and be replaced with a system that feels both personal and trustworthy does, in a weird way, kind of border on an almost religious experience. You can laugh, but these are the tools that a lot of us live our daily lives on, for both work and play. Removing a bloated corporation from that chain of trust does feel liberating.


As to why particularly Arch? I think it's just that level of control. I admit it's not for everyone, but again, if you're at least somewhat technically inclined, I absolutely believe it can be a great first distro, especially for learning. Ubuntu has made some bad decisions recently, but even before that, I always found myself tinkering with every install until it became some sort of Franken-Debian monster. And I like pacman way better than apt, fight me, nerds.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

"I run Arch btw" became a meme because until install scripts became commonplace you had to have a reasonable understanding of the terminal and ability to read and follow instructions to install Arch Linux to a usable state. "Look at my l33t skills."

Dislike of Ubuntu comes from Canonical...well...petting the cat backwards. They go against the grain a lot. They're increasingly corporate, they did a sketchy sponsorship thing with Amazon at one point, around ten years ago they were in the midst of this whole "Not Invented Here" thing; all tech had to be invented in-house, instead of systemd they made and abandoned Upstart, instead of working on Wayland they pissed away time on Mir, instead of Gnome or KDE they made Unity, and instead of APT they decided to build Snap. Which is the one they're still clinging to.

For desktop users there are a lot better distros than Ubuntu these days.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Arch is better because...

  • pacman, seriously, I don't hear enough of how great pacman is.
    Being able to search easily for files within a package is a godsend when some app refuses to work giving you an error message "lib_obscure.so.1 cannot be found".
    I haven't had such issues in a long time, but when I do, I don't have to worry about doing a ten hour search, if I'm lucky, for where this obscure library file is supposed to be located and in what package it should be part of.
  • rolling release. Non-rolling Ubuntu half-year releases have broken my OS in the past around 33% of the time. And lots of apps in the past had essential updates I needed, but required me to wait 5 months for the OS to catch up.
  • AUR. Some apps can't be found anywhere but AUR.
  • Their wiki is the best of all Linuxes

The "cult" is mostly gushing over AUR.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Arch Being cult like is stereotypical. Far from reality.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

IMO Despite some unjustified rumors Arch is a very stable distro. For me it feels the same as Debian stability wise while still being on the cutting edge side. The Arch wiki is the second most important reason.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Personally for me Arch on my system has been more stable & faster than both Debian & Fedora....

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

vocal peope on social media ≠ everyone

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

I left Ubuntu for Arch because I got sick of Arch having everything I wanted and Ubuntu taking ages to finally get it. I was tired of compiling shit all the time just to keep up to date.

Honestly glad I made the change, too. Arch has been so much better all around. Less bloat and far fewer problems.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Is it really? I've always understood the cult around it as a joke.

But seriously, RTFM.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I installed arch before there was the official install script. It's not that is was THAT difficult, but it does provide a great sense of accomplishment, you learn a lot, customize everything, and you literally only install things you know you want. (Fun story: I had to start over twice: the first time I forgot to install sudo, the second I forgot to install the package needed to have an internet connection)

All of this combined mean that the users have a sense of pride for being an arch user so they talk about it more that the rest. There is no pride in clicking your way though an installer that makes all the choices for you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Endeavour OS installer provides a smidge of pride LOL

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Arch requires reading the manual to install it, so installing it successfully is an accomplishment.

It's rolling release with a large repo which fits perfectly for regularly used systems which require up-to-date drivers. In that sense it's quite unique as e.g. OpenSUSE Tumbleweed has less packages.

It has basically any desktop available without any preference or customisations by default.

They have a great short name and solid logo.

Arch is community-based and is quite pragmatic when it comes to packaging. E.g. they don't remove proprietary codecs like e.g. Fedora.


Ubuntu is made by a company and Canonical wants to shape their OS and user experience as they think is best. This makes them develop things like snap to work for them (as it's their project) instead of using e.g. flatpak (which is only an alternative for a subset of snaps features). This corporate mindset clashes with the terminally online Linux desktop community.

Also, they seem to focus more on their enterprise server experience, as that is where their income stream comes from.

But like always, people with strong opinions are those voicing them loudly. Most Linux users don't care and use what works best for them. For that crowd Ubuntu is a good default without any major downsides.

Edit: A major advantage of Ubuntu are their extended security updates not found on any other distro (others simply do not patch them). Those are locked behind a subscription for companies and a free account for a few devices for personal use.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Arch Hits the great spot

It has:

  • a great wiki
  • many packages, enough for anything you want to do
  • its the only distros that is beetween everything done for you and gentoo-like fuck you.
  • and the Memes.
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I use Ubuntu professionally and Arch at home

Anything that's not Windows is my preference.

I love arch because I know what's in it and how to fix it and what to expect, the community is mostly very nice and open to help

AUR is great and using pacman feels lovely

I also care about learning and understanding the system I'm using beyond just using a GUI that does everything for me

Ubuntu is not bad it's probably one of the most used distros by far

Linux motto is: Use what you like and customize it how you like because there is no company forcing you to do things their way

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People that got into Linux when most of the main distributions were easier to install than windows in most cases. Some people wanted to show off that they can install a Linux like it was when we did it back in the 90s for some reason I still don't understand till this day. I do like their wiki though. Works great for debian as well as arch.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure either. I think arch used to be one of the less popular distros (because of the more involved install process, solved now by the arch-based distros with friendly installers), despite having some of the best features, so it required more "evangelism", that's unecessary now. Arch-based distros are now some of the most popular ones, so its not necessary.

Others have commented on why its so great, but the AUR + Rolling releases + stability means that arch is one of the "stable end states". You might hop around a lot, but its one of the ones you end up landing on, and have no reason to change from.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't know about everyone else, but the last couple of years has had the most unstable Ubuntu releases, with the most unrecoverable releases when issues happen.

I've since moved to Fedora for desktop and straight Debian for server.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've always found Ubuntu to be fairly brittle. I used it briefly after Mandrake but never liked it much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I thought it was a fairly solid OS up until about 20.04, then it started getting wiggy.

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