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[–] [email protected] 117 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Why does everyone always focus so much on architecture? Like, if you really wanna visualize how South Korea is materially much better off than North Korea, just use the satellite view at night where North Korea is almost completely absent of lights.

There's a million better things to criticize North Korea for besides having commie blocks. Especially considering the pic they chose genuinely doesn't look that bad.

Such a weird attempt at a meme from these folks.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

"Commie blocks" can be quite nice if renovated and repaired regularly. The big problem with them is when they're basically left to rot, with elevators that haven't been inspected in over 2 decades, corroded water pipes, and jury-rigged electricals.

Edit: Should also probably mention that tenement blocks were absolutely perfect for their explicit goal: building pretty decent housing cheaply and quickly for post WW2 countries flattened by war.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

And they provide high-density housing where everyone lives close to public transit and few people need a car. Then, your work, a mall, a park etc. can be three tram stops away.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

South Koreans live in blocks too you know.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm sure they do. They're used in basically every country, to a greater or lesser degree. It just seems that when talking about a formerly or currently communist country, tenement blocks suddenly become "commie blocks", as if it's a uniquely Soviet style of housing or something.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

They are not "commie blocks" they are an architectural design referred to as brutalist which was used around the world at the time. And their disrepair is on par and quite familiar to those of us familiar with tenements and slumlords in wealthy Nations. So it's got nothing to do with Communism of any stripe.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

You don't need to do a very good illustration job for people to associate NK with famine, abject poverty, and an oppressive regime. The pictures do an alright job at that, and everyone understands what this meme really says: NK can't feed its citizens, SK is rich and prosperous almost beyond belief, especially considering that NK had a big head start after the war.

Like c'mon, this is just the wrong meme to post in "the right can't meme". In fact "capitalism prosperous, communism poor" is a 60+ year old meme at this point. Maybe we should start articulating capitalism's own problems through memes rather than stupidly "dunk" on capitalists for touting what is arguably capitalism's greatest success story.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not convinced that the picture on the left is not a Finnish town.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That is central Kouvola, near the train station

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ok but now embargo, sanction, and blockade the capitalist side, too

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

…and have it run by a greedy, despotic dictator. Make sure the dictator says its a capitalist country though, seeing as labels are more important than what’s actually happening in a country.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That nearly does describe most capitalist countries though. It's just that the wealthiest people in them, the oligarchs are the despotic rulers whom the government runs itself for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

It also describes South Korea under the literal fascist dictatorship it was running until 1980.

To be fair, their dictator got assassinated by the CIA, a rare win before Reagan started making them support his kind instead.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Didn't the second world do that to South Korea or were they happy to do business with them?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago

I'm definitely not pro commie, but this is a terrible example for your gotcha'.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

North Korea is effectively a monarchy...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Necrocracy is the accepted therm

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know if you meant nepocracy or if you made a joke when you said "ruled by dead people".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

The dead Kim Il Sung is their "eternal president"

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

One of these countries follows the right-wing ideal of not having an income tax. Wanna guess which one it is?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

Crazy idea, let's also embargo the shit out of one of them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t get it. Is he saying that South Korea has more green spaces and less office buildings?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're saying that south Korea is more developed than north korea

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oh, well I am sure that is true. I would not call North Korea communist as much as it a God Tier Dictatorship that only promotes one man as if he were a god.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Crazy idea: learn what communism is before talking about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that's a democratic republic!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

What has a starving bunch of citizens with no freedom and the whole countrys budget is spent on military.

The other one is samsung