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I broke my phone a few months ago and I hadn't use a phone since I didn't need it until now. I'm willing to buy one that's around under 500$. I'm thinking of getting google pixel maybe, any recommendations?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

I can fully recommend a Fairphone 3+. I'm using one now for a few months and it's great!

Excellent battery life of around two days. Installing lineageos took maybe 10 minutes. And I haven't noticed any bugs.

Since all bloat is removed it's super quick. On top of this, you can get replacement parts and easily screw them in. No glue, no heat guns, or heat plates. Battery is also replaceable.

I also like the ethics in their procurement.

Check it out:

https://www.fairphone.com/en/

On top, you don't end up giving your money to Google.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

woah. you can replace the camera and It's not bad at all. for privacy what's the benefits of using this phone?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 years ago (1 children)

It's well-supported by LineageOS and will probably remain supported for longer than most other phones. That's the only benefit that I'm aware of, but that makes it already better than like 99% of phones on the market.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Well yes! It is dead easy to have a de-googled phone. You can then do all the things in firefox etc. you do to enhance privacy. Install apps via F-Droid store (open source apps only). Some VPN provider have their apps on F-Droid as well.

If you still need some level of Google services, I suppose you could install MicroG. I haven't tried that though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

No privacy nightmare ui (like miui) and no bloat or privacy invasive apps (no Facebook preinstalled and suchlike). And if you ever want to switch to a degoogled phone using microg it will be easy (a degoogled phone means of course Google will not be able to spy on your notifications, locations, apps, etc.). You can try to check /e/ system phones, or iodè phones too (both degoogles), but you really need to know what you're doing and which of the apps you use will not work (those are rare, but exist)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

Just a nitpick:

microg is optional mostly. You can install most apps from the playstore via e.g. Aurora store. However if you don't have microg or something similar, some of the propriety ones won't work.

I rarely run into an issue with this, and I'm using LineageOS without microg or similar for many years. The only issue that was a bit annoying was the local contact tracing app, which didn't work and which, for a moment, made me think I may not be able to visit a sports game.... turned out well though and didn't need the app to get in :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

Any one of the recommended Pixel phones running GrapheneOS: https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Maybe a Volla Phone with Ubuntu Touch preinstalled?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

You could take a look at my smartphone guide for brand suggestions as well as setting them up. https://lemmy.ml/post/54596

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (3 children)

The GrapheneOS is the only good security solution on phones right now, so check their website for supported models.

Some time ago I bought Pixel 3XL (used, not new) for pretty good price, so I suppose your budget is OK for that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

For what its worth, been using graphene for two months now on a pixel 5 and I'm still amazed by how well it works. Can only second this path as someone who is really focused on privacy and security. There are a few inconveniences (updates, app availability, gpush services etc) but those are all very worth it for me to sacrifice in order to be secure and private. I don't think you'll regret. Tons of second hand (new) phones on the market where I come from so should be easy to get going

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

security? well, do you know if there is any spyware or such like that in that phone? I don't use gapps

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

You can say that for absolutely any phone/device in existence. As for Graphene, I've ran tcpdump on my router for a week against the device's IP and confirmed that it only talks to the documented default connections on their site.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Yes, Graphene is only officially supported on Pixels at this time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I think I'll buy a pixel then, I'm a bit too cautious so can I ask which model pixel do you own?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago

I run GrapheneOS on a Google Pixel 3 (secondhand). It's a nice phone - made sure to extract the GCamera app in order to keep the camera app that actually works to the cameras full potential.

Other than that I just want to express my red hot hatred for all established mobile OSes. Its all crapware.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I have a 4a, which is supported until fall 2023. The newer 5 model doesn't give you much more time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

alright, thanks for the suggestion. It's decided.

edit; nvm

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

It's not an easy solution. GrapheneOS is really good, but you need to be sure you will not need Google service and NEITHER MicroG, because those aren't supported by GrapheneOS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Do you reaaally need google apps? It's good that I don't even have to option to use crapware like whatsapp. forcing people to talk to me through matrix

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

I don't need any Google apps, and luckily I don't need WhatsApp either, but some apps I use (like my goddamn bank) need Google services, and for this I rely on MicroG

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

That is bollocks. Security!= privacy

And you have to deal with Google's extra proprietary security hardware, unaudited and unverifiable. Having faith in Google’s promise of their proprietary closed source chip being clean is like having faith in cyanide not killing a person.

If it is conspiracy to believe in Google being an evil company with backdooring intent, then it is a worse conspiracy to promote Google as a safe company for privacy and anonymity, by conflating those terms with security.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (23 children)

what do you recommend then?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Privacy can be controlled on application level, but there are a lot of system stuff that user can't change and the best solution for system is GrapheneOS in terms of security, as I said in first comment.

Google is evil, no question about that, but Google is just a brand / label on the phone. Ironically, but most secure and privacy-friendly phone is Google Pixel without Google

As for privacy, any phone capable of running lineageos is fine, but lacks security

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

I just bought a used iPhone SE 2020 for 300€. The screen of my old Pixel 2 broke and its support ran out recently. Still a great phone otherwise. As a long-term Android user I miss a few things like SyncThing on iOS. However, with a strong focus on privacy, I'd say iOS wins over Android.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

Hmm... I'm not gonna be harsh or anything to someone who doesn't know. you might wanna learn something more about ios privacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r38Epj6ldKU

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Don't trust Apple marketing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

If you mean privacy marketing, yes iOS wins over Android. For privacy, security and freedom (by extension anonymity), Android is infinitely superior to iOS in every measure.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago

I have a pixel 4 running linegage. Its one of the most secure you can get

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