The Agora

Aye

Withdrawn.

There's some content I find deplorable here but I'm no longer convinced that defederation is a healthy tactic to wield like a cudgel in this way. I'm comfortable deciding for myself what content I will and will not see. I think others should be extended the same freedom.

Aye

Nay

Aye.

At best it's clickbait trash. At worst it's the garbage OP highlighted.

Aye

Nay

I am going to say Nay because I haven't seen any of this content organically surfaced to me, and I browse all > new all the time. In fact Im on lemmy a lot right now. That says to me that the fediverse community is doing a good job of downvoting this content.

My fear is that this style of argument will be used to censor any community that has enough motivated haters, thus anything controversial. Going over to a community and finding bad examples of behavior is going to be possible on nearly every federated instance. I bet I could do it with this instance, in fact.

I am open to changing my view if people can point me to a style of browsing lemmy that is organically surfacing this content a lot. I understand that over time we may identify certain instances that are really just troll farms. I just feel its too soon to be doing this and that the response is a sledgehammer against a fly.

OP, as this seems to be almost exclusively discussion, and there's currently a discussion about how we should split things between discussion & votes, maybe you could retitle this as a Discussion and hold a proper vote after a day or two of convincing people here? If you want to ofc, those formats haven't been voted on yet.

I do agree with your cause, but with how much of a touchy subject defederation is, it's an excellent test-bed for doing things in as transparent and as rigorous a method as possible.

Nay.

All that stuff is basically 0 comment and 0 up vote. It doesn't look like you would end up stumbling in that stuff as trending or whatnot. Unless your subscribed to it or looking to be offended it looks like a non issue. I've yet to see anything from them other then in these complaint threads.

I'm sure there is offensive content everywhere if you really look for it. Even here hence the whole beehaw thing.

I don't think we should defederate to control what other folks expose themselves to. If they were brigading other instances or butting in to be a direct nuisance that would be a different story.

Nay. Bc even though it is bad, it doesn't seem necessary. As long as their users don't break the rules over here anyway

Nay.

~~Overall~~ Aye, but I'd like to see some incriminating evidence of what we'd be blocking as an explanation and a warning before we do it. Pics, text posts can be banned and deleted.

Edit: Aye

Nay

Could we have some links to examples so everyone can get an informed view of the kind of content you're talking about? I don't browse that instance normally.

Nay

Block them yourself. Defederation is against the principles of the fediverde. If you are looking for an instance that is more isolated, look into Beehaw.org.

Nay! This is arbitrary censorship of an entire instance because they host content that disagrees with you. The support for such a measure here is more disturbing than the content itself.

As far as I know the whole concept of agora was just announced yesterday, and now we are saying that entire instances can be defederated based on a vote ( with no rules defined for when the vote ends or how votes are tallied ).

This is ridiculous and dangerous. This is poorly thought out. Above all, this is a terrible precedent. That any motivated group of users can go to an instance, clip some pics of bad behavior, create a thread and then spam it with 'aye' votes and close the vote whenever they please, and that result in the cutting off of an entire instance? Not even a freaking poll?

Please consider withdrawing this until the rules of agora voting are clearer.

Nay (for now)

My mind could be changed very easily on this in the future, especially if they get bigger. But in my opinion defederation should be treated as the "nuclear option" for an instance of our size, and a handful of bigots aren't enough for me to want to push the Big Red Button unless they start trouble for us.

If you hate free speech, hate your own first and foremost and shut up.

Aye

As another user said, hate speech is not free speech. And associating with an instance such as that one could even have legal implications for @TheDude in the future.

Edit: Typo

Given the examples, aye