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Spez is doubling down. He's shown his hand. He's lied. It's like watching Anakin's descent to the dark side. He's too far gone.
I don't really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There's no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it's a matter of principle at this point.
I might check in on certain niche subs that don't move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.
IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.
I don't plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It's a rat race on Reddit, and I don't need that in my life anymore.
I think reddit model should be as a non profit org., something like wikipedia. No ads, no selling or trying to monetize user data, or being hostage to its investors whims. That would require a complete change of management. Only then I would think about going back.
Hell no.
My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.
Love this, it's true and made me laugh out loud.
sadly... yes. I'm just not finding the community here that I built up there over 11 years. I know, I know, give this 11 years and we'll get there, too... but it's still over there.
I did the whole "delete all comments and posts and replace with the API reasoning text" thing, for my main and my few alts. BUt I find I still am heading over there on browser through old.reddit and lurking.
Same. I might stick around both for a while and see how it goes since I see big benefits and big drawbacks on both platforms. Same idea as why I use Plex instead of Jellyfin in that as much as I want to support open source projects, and am willing to pay a moderate amount to do that, the commercial platforms usually just have a better finish and feature set, as well as a simpler interface for people that don’t live in the tech world.
That said, there’s maybe a dozen subreddits that I really care about, so if those communities came over I’d probably follow. Most of those aren’t populated by the kinds of tech enthusiasts that are looking for an open-source/distributed/etc. model, they’re people that just want to be able to talk about their niche hobbies or connect with others in their industry, regardless of what the back-end looks like. Honestly, I’d even be okay paying a reasonable amount to stick with Reddit(as it was last month, maybe not as it is today), it sounds like they just need to be more open to finding a solution that’s reasonable for the third party app developers instead of just laying down the hammer and them plugging their ears. Problem there though is I suspect the people that I like to engage with on Reddit aren’t the ones making a big impact on Reddit’s revenue. I suspect Reddit can go ahead and lose those high engagement users and still make bank on ad impressions from front-page lurkers, and that’s why they’re not looking to play ball.
I was on Reddit 15 years and recently have been considering getting off the platform for other various reasons. All of the recent developments were just the final thing to push me to actually leave.
This was me, too. I was actively looking for alternatives already, this whole debacle just provided enough of a community on those alternatives for it to feel like a worthy time to switch. There's nothing that will get me to go back at this point.
I'm keeping my account live so that I can still interact and ask questions in threads when I get taken there by search results. Reddit ultimately shows up a lot when looking for solutions to technical problems.
As far as browsing and contributing, I think I'm sticking with Lemmy. Things are just starting to get good.
Nope, I've already deleted all of my comments and posts on a 10+ year old account. They can go straight to hell. Fuck them.
Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don't get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?
Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done
My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it's like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.
We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.
https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2023/what-happened-to-reddit/
100% fuck u/spez.
They have messed up pretty badly, and anyone who still trusts them, is wearing a blindfold.
No. This latest monetization grab has exposed a lot of wrongs with Reddit and the way that its employees and owners think. It fundamentally makes us question how the modern web was taken from the people.
If anything, the past two weeks of Lemmy proves that individual and community ownership of the Internet is not completely dead. It doesn't have to be the same four or five companies owning everything on the Internet. There is a better way.
I think Reddit is permanently harmed. The numbers of comments on posts have dropped in every sub. People will be wary of posting quality content there anymore because it's going to be owned by, and monetized by Reddit. Nobody wants to provide free labor for someone else to copyright and make millions. The quality posters are gone, back to their specialty forums or chat groups. The people who stayed behind are the low hanging fruit and probably not worth discussing anything with.
This was Reddits Slashdot moment.
The annoying this is that it didn’t need to go down like this!
This entire thing was bungled from conception to announcement to execution, if they had worked with the third party app devs, if they had communicated clearly, if that hadn’t come off as money grabbing, personal data selling ass holes then none of this would have been a problem.
As it is though, they can just get fucked.
No
There's more to this than the direct changes to their platform:
There's some things you can't rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it's time to see other people.
Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.
I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn't burned that bridge, but I'm not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.
I'm old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all.... Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.
I'm done. I moderated a very small, niche hobby sub for a bit over three years. The size and niche-ness kept it fairly well insulated from the worst online behaviors, but it's been shifting this year. I have been seeing more and more users posting to the sub for the first time, simply pushing their content creator/influencer material on Insta and Youtube. Their posts are only vaguely related to the sub topic, and they never stick around to have meaningful conversations in the comments of their posts. When they violate the sub rules, I have a policy of warning once and removing only if they don't respond within 24 hours. But even with a 24 hour warning, people get NASTY.
I modded the community for the benefit of others. With the shift in sub demographics and reddit sweeping my legs out from under me in terms of mod tools that allow me to keep control of the sub, I'm done. I can't keep it shaped into the community the original members want. They're frustrated. I'm frustrated. It's no longer fun or fulfilling. Someone who wants to keep the sub aligned with the wants of the new content creator/influencer demographics are welcome to it. Personally, I think a sub of people advertising their channels elsewhere is worthless.
Only if Spez leaves and is replaced by a decent CEO who reverses EVERYTHING that Spez has effed up in the past few years. I'd return for some small niche communities I participate on that aren't present in the lemmy-verse (yet). But I'd stay here too. I am committed to Federated services now.
Up until 3rd party app devs announced they're converting their apps to Lemmy? Yes.
Now, absolutely the fuck not. Reddit is a cesspool compared to when I first joined in 2013. Lemmy feels a lot more like reddit did then. It's quaint and cozy here. Yes I'd like to see this place grow some more. But 1/10th the size of reddit would be plenty. Most reddit users don't contribute anything useful anyways so no loss there.
I will never willingly provide free labour in the form of commenting, interacting, and posting on a site that not only exploits my work for profit, but insults me and is run by a pathological liar and malignant narcissist. So no.
Nope. Not a chance. I have no love for giant corporations, and Reddit has always been particularly shit even by that standard. Say what you want about the evils of Meta / Google / Apple, ETC ETC ETC, but at least they generally try to keep their users happy, or at least using their platforms. Reddit just seem to have absolutely no idea what their users want half the time, Reddit premium anyone? The way they handled, or rather failed to handle, the accessibility issue also leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth.
Reddit is no longer showing on my computer. Something about /etc/hosts. Can’t imagine how that happened.
I installed a Firefox extension that redirects any reddit.com link to my Lemmy instance.
not at this point. spaz has been very stupid in how hes handled this. im not saying i wont go back but itll be a while and take a serious mea culpa.
No.
Way too much trust has been lost for me to even consider going back to that place.
Even if they completely remove and ban Steve Huffman and his family, fiends or even acquaintances from any and all company and/or subcontracted positions, completely overhaul all their positions and replace them with trustworthy people (sucks to be them, but they know what they're getting into), add all the requested features overnight including and especially the accessibility features... I still won't consider going back to them.
They will need to exert a huge amount good faith effort over a span of a decade to earn back my trust, if they're at all capable of doing things in good faith.
Not planning to return. Lemmy feels good to me. Happy to be here.
Nope, my account is gone and so are my comments.
I'm done with reddit.
Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...
Not me. For me it's half a matter of principle, but I'm also liking the fact that I don't waste as much time doomscrolling
No. I like it much better here
No, I won't return.
This whole episode taught me the importance of diversifying the online communities/platforms that I use, and how NOT to rely on a single platform controlled by a for-profit entity.
From now on, it's communities based on open platforms first for me, and proprietary ones the distance second and only if I really can't avoid it.
At this point, no.
I'm not sure. I think I want to stay here.
If RIF survives or returns, then I will probably go back to reddit occasionally. But I haven't missed it since the blackout, so I will probably only use it for a reference and not a community to comment in.
This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.
a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.
b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.
c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.
No. Reddit's enshitification started a long time ago. This is just the catalyst. Corpo-stooges can get bent
No.
There are two medical subs I care about and that have been reluctant to keep protesting or moving people over to Lemmy. For those I will probably compile Infinity with my own API key. But I will unsub from everything else.
Reddit will get increasingly worse the moment they go public, even if they backpeddal on all of the BS (and they did to some extent), I'm already envisioning several Twitter/Twitch/YouTube-like anti-user monetization features that will trickle down one by one over the years. The owners and admins have shown their true colors, there is no undoing that.
If it weren't for how rough (and personally, confusing) Lemmy is right now, I wouldn't even consider going back. But if the growth stalls, and communities remain super small, I might hop back, which is why I haven't deleted my content and account over there yet.
Nope, the wells been poisoned. Even if they did a full 180 and Fired Spez for good measure, they've shown their hand. How long before they do it again? Even if all of this was %100 Spezs idea and everyone else in the company opposed it, could we really trust the replacement to never try this or anything similar again? How long before the next CEO decides to try again? What Reddit as a company has proven is that they can't be trusted, and what we as a community have proved with switching over to Kbin and Lemmy is that we don't need Reddit. We can make the same content and have the same or in some cases better communities and the beauty of doing it on a platform like this? A greedy corporation can't destroy it again. Even if a major instance owner goes rogue, we pick up move to another instance and keep going no need to learn a new site no need to rebuild communities. A simple "I'm moving over to this instance!" And that's it
Lemmy will continue to improve and Reddit will flush itself further down the toilet.
Nope, being an open source and privacy zealot I wanted to switch to Lemmy well before anyone cared about it. But I deleted my account because it had like twenty active people on it at most. Now that it's gaining users I'm definitely staying. I wasn't very active on Reddit for quite a while anyway, discussion grew repetitive.
I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but yeah I would. I mean, I'd try to continue posting here as much as possible, but there are at least a few communities that I'd probably fall back to Reddit for. Reddit's popularity means there's active discussion on some surprisingly niche topics. Like, there's an active Sumo wrestling sub. There isn't a community here for that, and even if I made one (which I don't want to do because I don't want to moderate) it would just be me screaming into the void.
And I don't think that's going to be a concern anyway. There's no sign they're going to backtrack on anything, in fact they just keep doubling down.
Sure. In the same vein, I'll go back to twitter if elon musk somehow restored it to the way it was before before his purchase.
Neither scenario will happen, of course. But if we're talking about hypotheticals, I wouldn't have an issue returning.
I wasn't on Reddit in the first place, so my opinion's not really relevant here, but I really enjoy the communities that have formed on Lemmy, so I do hope people stay around. I really strongly believe in the federation of networks over the centralization around capital.
It's hard to say for me. What about next time they do something like this? It Seems like only a matter of time before they do. Maybe it would just be better to build and support this platform then deal with their nonsense anymore
I haven't really left reddit yet but I would probably not leave if they backtracked.
That said, I would still use Lemmy too. Probably more than reddit.