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I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. It's far too US-centric, both in content and cultural norms enforced by censorship. What's really great about the fediverse is to be able to find not just niche content about "the outside world" but communities literally run under different cultural norms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes exactly! It's so American

[–] ram 2 points 2 years ago

I wasn't on Reddit in the first place, so my opinion's not really relevant here, but I really enjoy the communities that have formed on Lemmy, so I do hope people stay around. I really strongly believe in the federation of networks over the centralization around capital.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I haven't really left reddit yet but I would probably not leave if they backtracked.

That said, I would still use Lemmy too. Probably more than reddit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but yeah I would. I mean, I'd try to continue posting here as much as possible, but there are at least a few communities that I'd probably fall back to Reddit for. Reddit's popularity means there's active discussion on some surprisingly niche topics. Like, there's an active Sumo wrestling sub. There isn't a community here for that, and even if I made one (which I don't want to do because I don't want to moderate) it would just be me screaming into the void.

And I don't think that's going to be a concern anyway. There's no sign they're going to backtrack on anything, in fact they just keep doubling down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most responses I've seen have centered on spez's actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.

Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren't aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.

Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron's legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

maybe if spez is also removed, and the board reselected

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I deleted my 17 year old account. There's no going back, even if Reddit did backtrack it would be temporary. The enshitification has started and can't be stopped.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Probably worth checking if it stayed deleted. A lot of people are saying their accounts, comments, posts etc got restored.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks! Just checked and it's still gone!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'd probably download infinity again for when I inevitably have to visit reddit to follow through on a search query.

As far as actual regular use, I'm on lemmy for the long run.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

No. I like the Fediverse and feel I am contributing to something new and exciting. Reddit to me feels like old news. It’s saturated with people and with the exception of one community I am trying to bring here, I don’t see myself using it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I commented this on a different thread but I can’t with spez at the helm. even if everything was reversed and he apologized to the 3PA devs he’s a slimy little snake that I can’t trust. i’m really hoping that someone makes an Apollo for kbin though! :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think so. Reddit was lost years ago, and I'm not willing to create a new account just because they rolled back their API changes. They won't, anyways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No. It would be different if they just killed third party apps (with appropriate notice) and like, I would be upset, since Apollo is genuinely one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, but I would just use old Reddit on my phone like I do with my computer, and it would be fine. But the outright hostility spez has shown for users means I will never post there again, and I'm signed out unless I need to find something on my account. The final straw was spez's response to the blackouts, which I would summarize as "Once they get over their little temper tantrum, they'll come crawling back to us." It was condescending, insulting, and frankly infuriating. He can't even pay lip service to the most dedicated members of the site, so god knows what he's saying in private. Why on earth should we spend any time on a site who's leadership so clearly despises us?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’ve already deleted my 12 year old account, so doubt it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I like Kbin, and will certainly remain active.

But if the board were to remove Huffman for his incompetence and put an alternative, non-brain dead plan in place, I would at least stop deliberately shunning Reddit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm done with the site, but I will continue looking at and posting on it, and these things aren't really in conflict. It just means that I'm not going to put forward the kind of energy that I do to posting here. The same is basically true of Twitter since Elon: I made a long statement on my largest account there, and never posted again, just occasionally looked in and saw less and less on the feed each time. I still use an account for crypto Twitter, because crypto Twitter doesn't want to leave.

Regardless of what these execs say in public statements, the balloon has sprung a leak, and the open Internet is back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Short: No

Long: Theoretically yes, but they'd need to completely change leadership and also give up any notion of going public and instead transition to a non-profit. I dont think they can be working for the community while chasing profits. They have been trying to exploit users for profit rather than work with them.

That reddit could see me return, but at that point it'd be a very different situation and a very different reddit. I don't think we'll ever see it happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I may go back for casual browsing of the news and some of the niche communities that don't have a community here. But even though reddit will definitely be around, the damage is already done with people having deleted/edited their posts and comments. I wouldnt trust them to not try this stupid shit again once they get complacent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't. I was already getting sick of Reddit in the last year, so this has been a welcome change.

There are still some communities I miss, but hopefully they make their way over here in time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

@snipeftw: No, the Rubicon has been crossed here. I've always thought Reddit was a bit shit to begin with and some of the things I've read since getting out of there have reinforced my decision that I got out at a good time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I don’t think I will. I’m not fully moved over - I’ll use Apollo and if/whenthat goes away, then I’m done with Reddit. I’m having a harder time navigating lemmy and getting used to the concept, but it’s also kinda exciting. I remember joining Reddit in ‘09 and it was a similar feel, but this is better. So I think under most circumstances, unless they like get rid of apex and make some serious amends to some others, I won’t go back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

If Kbin and Lemmy keep being this active I'm sticking around here. I'm really enjoying it at this level. More so than Reddit. But if this place dies AND Reddit is less scummy for a while, I might go back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'd probably go to my hobby subreddits and ignore /all

And then i'd also check the fediverse's site to see if they have anything different.

I'd imagine the content would grow more and more over time until either things went back to the way they were or reddit no longer had anything worth visiting for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

No I like it here better. The community is better. It's less toxic. Feels like the old internet again

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

No, they showed their hand and they will not change their attitude. They got caught in their lies and their malicious intentions. I do not mind them behaving like a business, I mind that they are becoming unethical in the way they are pursuing their goals, because they think we are passive enough that will accept such type of conduct without batting an eyelash.

[–] gaydarless 1 points 2 years ago

Nah, I won't return in a meaningful way. Come June 30, I'm fully deleting my 10+ y.o. account. I may make another burner one to be able to follow a few niche communities (mostly snark subreddits) that I'm certain won't be moving over. But I don't plan to contribute or even lurk in a meaningful way anymore.

I'm excited about the promise the Fediverse holds. It's refreshing to me. I've been longing for a better social web experience, something like I remember having 10-15 years ago, and I'm feeling hopeful that the communities developing here can give me some of that magical feeling back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I don't use Reddit on my computer, only browse it using RIF and my reddit usage will stop when the RIF stops working.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No. This whole Fediverse feels like Reddit did in the beginning. Real conversations. Real sense of community. No pointless bloat or mindless repetition. I started actually participating because I'm not drowned out with a million ridiculous generic comments minutes after a post. Reddit will undoubtedly continue, but not with me as a part of it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No. I'll use RSS to lurk on subs that don't move, but this more and fragmentation has pushed me to finally try and curb my endless scrolling habits (by utilising IRC, I now only go through small bytes of content, and if I don't feel like it is important, I don't waste any more time).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

do you have any more info on how to get started with this? I have no desire to go back but would love to know how to loosely lurk like that

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Simply returning to the status quo from a little over a week ago wouldn't be enough. I'd need to see a real commitment to making the platform better.

Step one would be spez stepping down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes and only step one. After that rebuilding trust only begins.

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