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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Real fans complain about everything lmao he's offside look at the picture

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Do they count the head? Thats interesting

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

They made a 3D computar rendered image! So thats 100% reliable because technology and pixels!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Ridiculous rules

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I can't fathom that this is an offsides, it's cunt-hairs. But both sides will argue forever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As the laws of the game stand it is offside, however I do feel like it should be measured from the feet. I know you can score with your head, but there is always going to be a certain amount of lean while sprinting. Arms/shoulders shouldn’t come into play because a defender on the half turn is going to have their arm out for balance as they’re turning (shown in the photo). I’d prefer feet as the point of measure, but from the current rules it is offside. Fine margins at such high speed though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

it should be measured from the feet

This. They should look at feet only, that seems like the most fair. And to add to that I'd say one foot of the attacker would have to be behind a defender's foot in its entirety for it to be offside, not just a toe.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Plus, generally it's easier to just tell with the feet as they're on the ground. No need for fancy graphs and close call lines.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Offsides should be judged by foot position only, change my mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Given the current technology, Offsides should be determined by the part of the body that touches the ball first. If a player uses the foot, that’s the mark. If the player uses the shoulder measure from that. Then you get away from a head being offsides but the feet are on and the first touch was the foot (no offside advantage with the body part that actually mattered).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The call is obviously a correct one. My personal belief is that the laws of the game in conjunction with the technology we have should change to allow these plays to stand and count as goal. It’s frustrating to see such offsides like this stand when the reality is the attacker isn’t gaining an actual advantage with the 3 inches of space

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My argument is that offsides should be determined by one’s center of gravity and not extremities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you would need VAR for pretty much every offside call? There is no way a ref can call precise center of gravity on their own. How would you enforce that rule in lower leagues or even amateur play?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What happens if a player was leaning back with their foot stretched forward to control the ball?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think offside should be checked on the foot positions only.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It feels like VAR and refereeing in Europe are better than in some top leagues, the amount of shitty mistakes even using that same fucking technology in La Liga & EPL is unbelievable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They don't use the same technology. This screenshot is from the semi-automated VAR system used by the Champions League. Not sure about La Liga, but the Premier League don't use the semi-automated system, it's completely manual.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Then they need to adopt that system. We've already seen too many crucial mistakes by idiots controlling VAR (ex Liverpool disallowed goal) that cost teams points.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

this might be controversial, but i think goals like this should stand…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Don’t get it his hand are onside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Remember when we gave great offensive play the advantage in a game that favors natural quality densive play?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Too much head

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Looking at it from the actual replay, I was certain it could not have been offside. But this shows it as offside so nothing to complain about actually…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Typical offside that on the screen it’s questionable, but then you see this and it’s a no brainer.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think this is a bit much 😬 Im not saying the call is ‘wrong’ but this surgical precision we are trying to extract out of the sport is taking away a lot of the magic, in my opinion. Realistically, how big of an advantage does Vini gain from his head being 5cm offside?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Is it his head that’s offside? Not sure on the rules now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Love this technology. Look how accurate it is. The only issue is I have in situations like this is that I just don't understand how an advantage is gained to an unfair degree. Of course you can't have everything and whilst the rules state that this is offside then I'm happy for it to be called, but for the sake of the game I would like to see decisions like this have a different ruling. It's a pretty hard road to navigate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Okay hear me out…the head and other body parts shouldn’t count unless they are the part that controls the ball. His head is offside but his feet aren’t which is what he uses and controls the ball with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You can score a goal with your shoulder or head, so it was accurately called judging by the depiction

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Just make it feet for fuck sake

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Modern offside is shit. Truly shit. There’s no substantial or measurable advantage here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think it should be the feet tbh but that may be an unpopular opinion

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bullshit. All of it. That’s a fraction of a second difference right there and probably less than an inch… what about the right moment when the kicker passed the ball? Could have been a fraction of a second before or after and it would change everything too.. I mean, I get the positive aspect of the VAR and all but man.. calling an offside that close is just BS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Why? He is over the line. Saying calling offside that close is BS, is BS…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

VARcelona strikes again, thanks Laporta!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

the offside line does not make sense with the line on the field, bad prospective here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Didn't see a lot of complaint when Bellingham scored a goal which he clearly handled, neither when he stopped the ball with his hand in own penalty box and penalty was not given.

Now you are crying for 1 mm error 🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m confused, are people thinking this should have been onsides?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Do they not draw the lines on the feet?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

how do they decide the exact moment the ball is kicked forward?, all very well having the nice picture above, but to me there’s a second unknown which may have inaccuracies

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Oh no what an unfair advantage, vini would have never beaten him without being offside.

Hate it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

it should be measured from the feet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Offside based on the rules but surely we can start doing a center of mass vs center of mass type thing, no?

Like does Vinicious get an advantage having his head beyond the guys knee? Not really, his momentum was already beating the Braga players. Someone with an outstretched leg to poke in a cross should be commended for the effort of getting to the ball while the bulk of their body is behind the defender, not punished.

I dunno how the current tech works but don't most players where wear monitor type kit anyway, surely that can house a device that counts as their centere of mass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

UEFA should realy change rule for this nosense, this is killing football.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If my mom had consulted a better astrologer, I’d have chosen this as a career. No accountability, no consequences just apologies!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What are you waffeling about, half his head is off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Please find the Maguire goal, where they show the offside line, it comes when VAR checks for the penalty. I am sure that he was offside. How can Vavros arm play him on? I don't get it ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Shouldn’t the line be drawn at the head which would make the offside much clearer?

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