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This is a community to discuss the housing crisis in Canada.

All so Canadians can find a decent home to live in.

Racism is still absolutely prohibited, but you are welcome to debate population growth, immigration rate, foreign home buyers, and the merits of single family homes or the green zone.

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Pierre Poilievre: Yes, Justin Trudeau deserves blame for sky-high housing costs (nationalpost.com)
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[–] MapleEngineer 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is he to blame for sky high housing costs in the US? The UK? France? Australia? Or is that just the fact that the global economy has gone squiffy because of the pandemic and profiteering by corporations?

We can do better than just parroting these ridiculous and insultingly childish right wing talking points. As long as we believe and spread this bullshit we're not going to be able to have a reasonable conversation about what to do to try to get our economy back under control despite what is going on in the rest of the world.

[–] jackalyst 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's more complex than just saying it's only a Federal issue, or that Canada is alone in this, but I think it would be foolish to think they haven't played a role.

Lets take the right or left out of this and keep discussions above board, calling opinions "insultingly childish right wing talking points" doesn't do us any favours.

[–] MapleEngineer 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Explain to me how Trudeau is responsible for the rise in the cost of housing in LA, Paris, London, Buenos Aires, Adelaide, and Barcelona.

If you can't do that then blaming Trudeau for the Canadian manifestations of a global rise in housing prices is just reductively childish tribalistic nonsense. How would you explain that it wasn't Pierre polievre's fault if he was in power instead of Trudeau?

Cutting taxes and giving billions of dollars of gifts to the wealthy and cutting services for everyone else won't solve this problem.

What Canada needs is a Conservative leader who is an adult with real ideas instead of just "TrUdEaU bAd!"

[–] jackalyst 1 points 2 years ago

If we can agree that policies can impact the economic and housing situation in situ of its local, which I think they do, then we can look at policies at all levels, (ie municipal, provincial, federal), in order to improve our Canadian situation. How much can be done is another conversation, but we control our local government more than the worlds.

[–] i_r_weldr 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Did you actually read the article? It does address rising costs in other countries as well, and specified that we are doing significantly worse than other G7 countries.

[–] MapleEngineer 11 points 2 years ago

A National Post opinion piece written by Pierre Polievre himself? Not only did I read it but I saw it for exactly what it was. Canada needs a Conservative leader who is a functioning adult who has something, anything, to say other than, "TrUdEaU bAd."

[–] healthetank 5 points 2 years ago

I feel like a good chunk of that has been the fact that our GDP has been heavily reliant on real estate for the last few decades.

Here is a link with a graphic showing the percentage of GDP being real estate, which has been on the rise since 2000. Granted, its skyrocketed since the pandemic, but that's largely because of the slow growth in other sectors.

Unfortunately, we have significant tax credits associated with home ownership and sales, resulting in people planning on their house downsizing funding retirements. Drastic changes are needed, but are effectively political suicide. Additionally, we have terribly design/planned fees for development- check out '99% Invisible's podcast, 'The Missing Middle', where they discuss how zoning and permitting provide negative pressures towards building luxury/condos or single family units and away from affordable development.

[–] corsicanguppy -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did you actually read the article?

It's written by one of the loudest and most blatantly biased-for-financial-gain people in this country.

So no, I did not read the article. Wasting time going and buying a lottery ticket has a better chance of being beneficial to me in any way.

If Mr Trump (ghost-)writes a book, I think I'm not wasting time with that either. Same reason.

[–] i_r_weldr 1 points 2 years ago

Wow just couldn’t wait to get that out eh? Nobody asked you dipshit

[–] heyheyitsbrent 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I made this to illustrate to a friend that housing prices have been running away from wages for at least the last 20 years. I included the price of avocados too, cause you know, toast and other frivolous spending is really to blame. (/s)

[–] jackalyst 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you for this. I really dislike how Pierre tends to be very misleading with charts and stats.

The one chart I keep referring to is the one between the US and Canada. I'm sure we've seen it, or one like it. In my personal opinion, it's not selectively a "Trudeau" issue, but a series of policies and global circumstances that has led to where we are today, Federally, provincially, and among our local municipal governments. We can't move forward without actually looking at things as objectively as we can.

[–] heyheyitsbrent 1 points 2 years ago

That's interesting. I remember back after the '08 collapse in the States, we were pating ourselves on the back for how we were better off, while they were undergoing a massive correction. Meanwhile...

[–] GrindingGears 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well if we can question Trudeau (which I'm not against, ever), this also means it's only fair that we can rewind it fully back to when this problem first started occuring. And I'm Preeeeeeeety sure Conservatives ruled the day back then. So ol' PP maybe should be careful what he wishes for.

[–] jackalyst 5 points 2 years ago

100% fair. It would be better to look at this from a policy implementation and solution perspective than playing the blame game which seems to trigger our tribalism. Question period anyone?

[–] ChildrenHalveTraffic 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would first blame the Liberal government in 1993 until the mid 2000s that cut costs by downloading social housing to the provinces who then downloaded it to cities (except MB). It's recent that we stopped building social housing en masse.

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/march-2017/lessons-from-the-past-on-a-national-housing-strategy/

[–] GrindingGears 2 points 2 years ago

Personally, I blame the banks the most, and the lack of oversight. All the parties have a hand in this, I just wanted to point out that the Cons have been in power for quite a few years on the leadup to this all, as have the liberals and whatever sway the NDP has I guess too.

[–] Grant_M 9 points 2 years ago

Poilievre turned me into a full blown Liberal. The guy is a walking, squeaking disinformation factory.

[–] corsicanguppy 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Evil Milhouse is following the Con plan:

  • observe problem
  • blame non-con leader
  • repeat

This is getting tiring.

[–] Creegz 1 points 2 years ago

Respectfully, that's how politicians all do it. They latch on to something and blame the leader or squeaky wheel in opposition. Don't kid yourself into thinking their objective is anything but job retention.