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Does anyone have a concern about what happens when NOT leaving a tip at these places? I don't enjoy tipping before I have received service (fast food) but am unsure of the ramifications of not doing so 😬
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"We just shifted how the money came in," Neitzel said.
We know you greedy trashbags. Tipping isn't necessary and a detriment to the experience.
amen.
I'm not really a tipper but i don't have a problem with them asking. my problem is when they don't list no tip as an option..
Yeah, whenever I see a fast food restaurant ask for tips before I receive my food, I give them nothing. Is this a threat? Will my food have boogers in it if I don't tip?
I tried to do grocery shopping at instacart recently.
The prices looked good, I spent some time making a bigger basket(around 100$) and went to checkout. Then I found out that they charge service fee about 13$, delivery fee 4.50$, heavy fee and at the very end they also added tax. My 100$ shopping was now over 120$ but then they asked me to tip the driver and options were 10% or 20%. I tried to enter custom amount but was discouraged with a scary prompt saying that my driver will see the tip and that tips under 15% are highly discouraged as my order might be deprioritised... so all those service fees, delivery fees and heavy fees are just used to run the website?! But actually paying your own employees? Nooo... that's up to you, kind stranger on the internet! Please, be generous (we are tired to look for another poor bastard every two weeks or so)!
The problem with tipping culture is that it works.
I read an article the other day about airlines moving toward cheaper air fares, but charging more and more fees for basic things that should be part of the air fare. That trend is accelerating because customers reward it, period.
People only look at the base price of things, and shop around the best base price. Mentally, humans are mostly awful at factoring in extras and comparing one place's apples to another place's oranges. The company with the lower base price wins, and shifting prices over toward fees and extras doesn't seem to hurt them as much as just including those costs in the base price does.
Same story with tipping. If a Moe's burrito costs $10 but you're asked to leave a $2 tip, while a Joe's burrito simply costs $12, then I'm pretty sure the average consumer is only going to look at that $10 vs. $12 comparison and favor Moe's. It's dumb. It's awful. We all say on social media and chat forums that we don't think that way. But most of us kinda sorta DO, unfortunately.
The result is that generous people end up accommodating the increased tip culture, while less generous people just stop tipping altogether. So instead of employer paying their workers fairly, and spreading the costs among their customers fairly... we get an awful system where the employers still make the same profit, but the workers and customers are negatively impacted. For the employees, the dignity of honest work erodes, as they shift toward being part worker and part panhandler. For the customers, generosity is punished and a selfish mindset is rewarded. It's an extremely toxic cultural trend, all around.
I don't know what the solutions are. I fear that there really IS no solution other than changes to law and regulation, but our culture is too fragmented and government too broken for that.
It’s absolute BS that the “tipped” minimum wage is lower than for everyone else. Tipping is supposed to reward you for excellent service, not subsidize the fucking company
yeah, whoever lobbied for that and got that bill passed was evil.
republican but same thing
I'm not going to engage in any class warfare... restaurant staff actually get LESS than minimum wage, because tips are supposed to offset the loss. Of course they're going to want more money; they probably NEED it. Having said that, I rarely have two dimes to scrape together, and my tip limit is 15%, give or take. I mean, I'm not going to count it out to the penny, I'm not that much of a tightwad, but I've got my own expenses. If I can't realistically afford to eat out, I'll just make a sandwich at home.
Not in California - in LA they get $17/hr + tips.
The biggest advocates for tipping culture are the restaurant workers - if they were paid commensurately they’d lose money since it’d be all taxable. And we all know that tipped employees all definitely mark the accurate amount of cash tips received on their taxes each year…
restaurant staff actually get LESS than minimum wage, because tips are supposed to offset the loss.
In the US, tipped minimum wage + tips must be greater than or equal to regular minimum wage. If not, employers must make up the difference.
How about making employers responsible for actually paying their employees?
Employers will never do this. They would rather allow their employees to starve.
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Pro tip: Don't work at a fast food restaurant if you expect a livable wage. There are other options, especially in the US.
You're implying that certain jobs don't deserve a living wage, but it's fine because higher wages exist in other jobs. So should fast food just disappear? Who is going to work these jobs that don't deserve a living wage? Slaves?
Teenagers looking for part time jobs, recent retirees looking for additional cash, folks that have partners witb 'living wage' jobs. And I never said anything about anyone deserving anything. My pro tip was, if you want a living wage, you will not find it at a fast food job. Try harder. Or, continue to piss and moan on the internet.
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