This guy has already given up
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Even if we sack him then what? We hire another guy, honeymoon period until next season then rinse and repeat. There’s no structure behind the manager, it’s like being an accountant and not being able to use excel or accounting software.
Some of these players will be on their FIFTH manager if we sack him. A couple will be on their fourth and a whole lot will be on their third. That’s unheard of anywhere else in football. For me, sacking him is not the solution
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Will we ever play in a certain way Eric? Because right now it just looks like yoloball
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And he says it's specifically cause of the players we have.
You can't play Ajax football with Fernandes, Casemiro, Rashford, McTominay, Wan Bissaka, Maguire. Could go on. Cause we've Frankensteined a squad of mainly 2 different counter attacking managers, Mourinho and Ole.
What is causing the issue is that he's brought in some 'Ajax' players to play alongside the others, so we're playing some fucked up in-between which isn't giving the best of either, and actually showing the worst in both.
He has to take blame, but the board above him do too, why is there nobody above him saying we now have a squad filled with players who want to be on the ball and also several players who treat the ball like a grenade?
The Frankenstein squad took us to third last season though. This is so do with form and confidence.
So? Every manager somewhat gets the old guard and has to manage around it. Think Ange or Emery got clean slate and players they wanted from day one?
As much as I dislike Ten Hag, you're right. Look at Arteta too, it took him years to get rid of the old guard and to turn things around. That included getting rid of Raul too behind the scenes
This idea that every new manager has to buy deozens of new players to be successful is ridiculous and was created purely as an excuse for Chelsea and Man Utd
Having no identity to speak of as a club is a major issue- how does Manchester United want to play as a whole, and are the players and manager suitable for that?
We hang our hat on having young players come through and are immensely proud of it, but what kind of football are we teaching them, and is that uniform from youth level to the first team? The sooner United have an identity and plug in players who fit that the better; I’d sooner we know what we are and live or die by that than “Frankenstein” ourselves into being a team, which you’re absolutely spot on about.
What is causing the issue is that he's brought in some 'Ajax' players to play alongside the others, so we're playing some fucked up in-between which isn't giving the best of either, and actually showing the worst in both.
But looking at the United squad right now, who are actually players you'd expect to see at an Ajax side? Martinez and Eriksen. Not so much anyone else. Even Antony isn't the kind of player to really set the playstyle at a club like Ajax, even if he did well there.
Ten Hag should be blamed for his mistakes, but I wouldn't say this is a squad in between the old counter attacking style and the "Ajax" style. This is an unfinished squad, with simply a lot of poor players and unfit players. I would blame Ten Hag for having a front three of Rashford, Hojlund and Antony. Because it is a very expensive lineup, that doesn't really make sense together and isn't all that great individually either. But he's also trying to make it work with what was already in the squad and a lot of the players just aren't up for it.
I would have said fair enough but watching what Ange has done at Spurs in 10 games when our team was built for counterattacking under Mourinho and Conteball. Sure we brought in a few players but he’s had a single window and we look much more coherent than what’s going on with y’all.
You guys have some amazing players shackled by Conte and Mourinho. We've been let down by some of these players for several managers across multiple years, and some of them are still getting the chance.
We can get a lot better than we currently are. Struggle to get worse, especially given the injuries. Everyone seems low on confidence.
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the united job is proven to drive a man insane
What’s he on about, united are playing exactly like a team that’s bottom of their respective league /s
We’re all pissed cuz City beat us but we all knew they would. Look at our defense and tell me you thought the likes of Maguire, Evans, Lindelof, and Dalot we’re going to keep City quiet.
A lot of comments on ETH spending 400mil on his team to play like this but it’s literally a youngster in hojlund, amrabat, onana, and evans. We’re still missing 300mil of players that he signed
Ahh so he is finally at the "acceptance" stage
Is it possible he goes? Thought he seemed rattled after the match.
Ten hag will play the football that the current ajax is playing
Picture of Ajax and picture of ManU.
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They are the same.
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Am I crazy in thinking that as long as Man United's best players are Bruno & Rashford who I feel like are very good direct players then it makes sense to play direct?
Well, maybe you should.
Small brain here - why is this even a discussion? Ten Hag has a collection of some of the best footballers in the world. They are skilled and athletic. He was hired for his style of football and success at Ajax. He should make them adapt to his play style, or they sit the bench. Simple as that.
We can tell.
It's so joever
This is on Ten Hag for picking a terrible job to begin with. He's someone who can't be the face of a club necessarily, at Ajax he had an incredible structure with Overmars leading it, and he just had to stick to coaching for the most part. I am aware of his work at Utrecht where he focused a lot more on squad building, but Utrecht vs United are very different situations.
He's someone who can't be the face of a club necessarily
Based on what lol? That he's failing at United?
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It’s unusual for a manager not to have a style of play they’d try to implement wherever they manage. Most managers you know what type of football you’d be getting but Ten Hag just seems to be making it up as he goes along.
That isn't unusual at all lol. Every manager that doesn't have a state supporting him does that. He explains why in the article. Pressing high and building up from the back requires a certain type of players and those are either out injured or don't have the legs anymore to do that in the PL. You have to use players to their strenghts. If he would have played a high line/ high press system and Maguire and Evans would have been caught out everyone would have blamed him for not playing a low block.
That isn't unusual at all lol. Every manager that doesn't have a state supporting him does that.
What a load of bollocks.
So Ten Hag supposedly has no style of play to bring to united because they aren't funded by a state? What about all the work being done by the other managers in the league and around Europe? What about the fact that they carry on sounding hundreds of millions every summer predominantly on a mixture of overrated shite and over the hill sick notes?
The guy's got so much at his disposal.
Oh joy, we've reached the part of the cycle where the depressing quotes start, with the manager lowering already rock bottom expectations...
Are the depressing quotes better or worse than the deluded quotes?
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-erik-ten-hag-b2438255.html
Tbf he just says that hell never play Ajax football at United, because he has different players at United and United usually play another brand. Stating that he implements a style based on the players he has at his disposal, not the other way round
Like half his team are ex Ajax, under him no less, and he’s had £400 million and counting to spend. At the very least they should be playing ETH era Ajax football.
Looks closer to Steijn era…
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Ten Hag's biggest problem so far is his recruitment. They did not try hard for Frenkie when we had financial issues(he wanted to stay but the club wanted him out) and bought Mount for 60-70 million. Frenkie, Bruno and Casemiro would have worked for sure.
Yeah, their recruitment to me is genuinely embarrassing. It seems like they just wake up and decide to sign someone; Casemiro signing at the times left be baffled. For a guy like ETH known for a high pressing and possession based football, why spending all that money on a slow midfield destroyer that weak in moving the ball fast and controlling the tempo of a game. It obviously obliged ETH to adapt and the only way is changing your style of play
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Ermmm, United literally agreed a fee with Barca for weeks until they withdrew the offer because FDJ did not want to move. So not much they could have done in that case.
They were not ready to pay the amount we asked and neither De Jong salary demands.
Barcelona accepted and reached an agreement on the sale of FDJ. United just never reached an agreement on personal terms with FDJ because he didn't want to move. This is well established and not even speculation.
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How the fuck is it Ten Hag's fault that the club handled the De Jong negotiations horrendously.
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Man realises it after transferring almost entire ex-Ajax squad here
Well it looked half way there yesterday
Don't forget to blame Ronaldo for being too old and slow to not play Ajax football, and Mourinho for being too defensive unlike Ajax.
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