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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I for one welcome their new Military overlords.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Oh some good old /. vibe here 😉

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

25,000 troops marching on Moscow. How many does the Kremlin have not already in Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

How many do they have not in Ukraine... Who are also willing to kill fellow Russians? If the average Russian military sentiment is, "Eh, let them through" this could be huge.

Plus a lot of the "Royal Guard" may be well-connected rich kids who are even less inclined to fight.

Way too soon to know for sure, but. 🍿

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Supposedly they've already agreed to retreat to Belarus? Shortest coup ever, or a dog n pony show.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

This became a possibility the moment Prigo started making threats towards government officials. As soon as that happened, and Russia did not recall and disband the group, a rebellion became an eventuality (what mercenary is going to accept execution from a state he is propping up).

I doubt it'll be successful, but it is a huge blow to Russia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I wonder if Flight of the Valkyries plays wherever the Wagner Group goes. (For at least two reasons.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Link dead/broken

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

If they would merely keep Rostov, a city with one million citizens, this would already be an enormous problem for Russia. But the Wagner group is going all-out, and I strongly doubt whether they'll be able to oust the Russian government.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

People are tired of this war. Putin wanted to secure food reserves and have an open access sea port for his military; however he wasn't honest as to his reasons why; understandably so. Given this the Russian public doesn't see the actual geopolitical value of the conflict. This was inevitable. If Russia couldn't play nice with the rest of the world as their money mostly comes from oil and gas; which we are moving away from. Let them pay for their crimes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Generally, I don't like to gloat, but I did call that one ~ June 5th over on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/140qkwu/destructions_incursions_%C3%A9vacuations_dans_la/jmyndp3/?context=3; in French because it was on r/France).

It actually is much worse than it seems - I did a write up over on Mastodon to explain why and how (https://mastodon.social/@andrei_chiffa/110599724720727202). The TLDR is that cities taken by Wagner mercs will be hard to retake without leveling, all internal protection troops are either tied or were lost in Ukraine, and mercs themselves have nothing to loose and all the revenge to take.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Tu avais raison.

It's very strange how things are going right now. The fact that they are quite effortlessly moving hundreds of kilometers through Russian territory is quite telling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

If there's one thing I've learned from my history classes it's that power vacuums (or even perceived power vacuums) and the ensuing instability always end well for everyone involved....

/s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (9 children)

If true, this is a major setback for Putin.

I don't think this little rebellion has a chance to overthrow Putin. Maybe if all of Wagner rebelled?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The rebellion has started. Let's hope they win. Wagner group aren't great people, but Putin is worse for giving the orders and calling the shots against so many innocent lives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

As bad as Putin is, I'm not sure Wagner would be better. They're even worse thugs than Putin :(

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