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He's my favorite active player, and is my overall favorite except for Barry.. but I feel like Stafford is another one of these guys. And it really isn't his fault. The Lions were fucking awful. Just a trash organization for the entire time he was there, and he's still by far the greatest Lions QB in the super bowl Era.

But I don't think he quite gets in. The super bowl may get him there though, and I personally think he should make it. Guys like Rivers, Ben and Ryan had extremely talented teams and orgs around them for many years out of their careers.

Stafford had like...4 in Detroit. And then the super bowl year with the Rams.

Imo Ben makes it, the other 3 don't.

HOF is about sustained success over long periods of time imo.

Big Ben checks that box. Matt Ryan had a very solid chunk of time where he was successful, but never got over the SB hump and never regained form after that.

Philip Rivers is probably not getting in due to all the average level teams he played on.

I think Ben get's in. he has good stats, decent longevity, playoff success, superbowl wins.

Matt Ryan has a case, mainly the MVP under his belt and stats. But then let's compare him with say... Rich Gannon. Gannon didn't have nearly as good stats, but also played in an era where you couldn't put them up the same. He also has a single MVP. He also has 4 pro bowls. He has 2 first team all pro's to Matt Ryan's only one. He also has 2 Bert Bells to Matt Ryans one.

he is not in the hall of fame, nor do I think anyone is really considering him for it. I think Matt Ryan falls there as well.

I don't want to make a hard declaration that Philip Rivers will not make the hall of fame.. but Matt Ryan imo has a better case than him and likely won't make it.

Would prefer Ben not getting in. Those super bowls were terrible performances.

That's a guy elevated by the talent around him, not elevating the talent himself.

HOVG in my opinion.

Ben is in. I don’t agree with this, but Rivers will get in, too. Same with Eli. Not sure Ryan makes it.

At this point, unless you're truly on a completely different level in terms of both stats and impact, having at least one Super Bowl ring is a requirement in addition to having the stats, accolades, and longevity.

Look at the guys in that general tier you're discussing: Ben, Eli, Ryan, and Rivers, in broad strokes.

• Ben has 64,000 yards, 418 TD's, and 2 rings.

• Ryan has 63,000 yards, 381 TD's, and no rings, with 1 MVP.

• Rivers has 63,000 yards, 421 TD's, and no rings.

• Eli has 57,000 yards, 366 TD's, and 2 rings.

Frankly, they're all about the same. The Super bowls are what set them apart, plus Ryan's MVP.

To me, Ben gets in and Eli gets in. Ryan has an edge over Rivers thanks to his MVP, but while I could see all 4 of them getting in eventually, the clear line to draw is SB rings.

Like you said, everyone in the modern game with a long career as a starter will have the volume stats. We really do have to look more firmly at "what did you win and were you inarguably elite?" Eli wasn't "inarguably elite," but he does have the volume stats and the two rings put him over the top. To be perfectly honest, beating the undefeated Pats in 2007 is the kind of storybook win that earns him a spot in the hall even if it was his only ring IMO, and then he beat Brady in the SB again just for shits and giggles.

A known rapist should not be inducted, regardless of stats or accomplishments. Come the fuck on NFL, please stop rewarding sexual predators.

Ryan and Rivers are not getting in. I think it should be pretty clear which QBs from the past couple of decades get in with the exception of Eli Manning. There’s an argument for and against him, everyone else, though, not really.

I think Ben is the only one to get in. Others needed the Super Bowl to get in. Just my thoughts.

Does the quarterback have two Super Bowl rings? Automatic in eventually. Maybe not first ballot Eli but he’s the bottom of the line. Rank anyone else against that threshold.

Anyone one with one or less rings has to wait till all the two ringers waiting are in.

Sorry Ryan, Rivers, Brees, and Rodgers.

I’m gonna assume you omitted Flacco because he isn’t technically retired yet #elite

Funny that we are having this conversation without talking about Tony Romo, a guy who was even better than Ben or Eli but didn't have the good fortune to play on teams as good as they had

Ben should be first ballot no question.

Big Ben feels like a lock, I’d lean no for Ryan and Rivers

Here’s my prediction:

Ben and Eli will get in, but they will not be first-ballot.

Rodgers and Brady are 100% first-ballot locks.

Rivers and Ryan won’t get in.

I’ll be honest, are Brees and Rodgers even hall of famers? I feel as playing careers get longer, longevity isn’t as important. Are they in the same class as Brady, Peyton Manning, and even Maholmes?

Matt Ryan or Rivers getting in would be a complete mockery

What about Eli? Is he a shoo-in?

None of those three get in. They were fine quarterbacks but they were never considered “elite” during their careers. The Hall of Fame should be reserved for the best-of-the-best - and these three quarterbacks were never that. I’d consider Brees to be left out also.

Big Ben is a lock

I can't remember where I heard it, but I really like the saying "if you can't tell the story of the NFL without talking about that player, they deserve to be in the HoF.

Going with that, I think Big Ben makes it (multiple Super Bowl champ, kinda broke the mold as a QB who not only could take a hit, but also liked giving them out when he ran).

I think if you win multiple Super Bowls as a QB, you should get in

Ben is a lock and in. The more interesting debate gets when you include Eli. Eli I think has a better chance of getting in than Rivers or Ryan cause of the 2 Super Bowls but week in and out throughout their careers I’m taking Rivers and Ryan as better QBs over Eli

Ben is a forsure hall of famer and should be a first ballot. I would take Rivers over Ryan, but I understand on paper Ryan has a Super Bowl appearance and an mvp but if you ask me who was a better QB I would take Rivers over Ryan.

Shocking Eli wasn’t mentioned but since people are already bashing him while simultaneously preaching for Ryan to be HOF then I need to back my guy up here lmao:

2x SB mvp (1 of 5 players to do this)

3rd all time in consecutive starts (over 13 seasons without missing a start!!)

11th all time in wins

7th most passing yards all time

7th most td passes all time

10th most game winning drives all time

2nd all time in road playoff wins

most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 in 2011)

but sure… it’s just because he’s a manning

The real question is how long do we have to wait for the BOAT Blake Bortles to get his bust in Canton.

I genuinely believe that in order to make it into the HoF, the NFL story couldn’t be told without you. I think the 2004 QB class (Eli, Ben, Phil) all should make it because they have each been elite and one of the greatest QB classes of all time. They should all make it, fuck it

They’ll cut it off at Matt Ryan and Phillip rivers. Big Ben makes it

Love Rivers, but throw it all away if he gets in there. QBs with multiple rings who are actually good always get in.

Matty Ice is interesting but still hall of very good for me. A single MVP and no rings isn't enough IMO.

I'd buy it if he was unquestioned top 5 QB every year, but he never was. He was consistently in the top 5-10 range outside of the MVP year.

Ben gets in due to the rings. Rivers and Ryan do not. Rivers is basically Tony Romo. Ryan isn’t much higher.

My personal eye test is that only Big Ben belongs among those 3.

Big Ben is the only 1 of those 3 I'd put in

It’s a good question for sure especially for Ryan and Rivers. I think Ben gets in pretty easily because of the Super Bowls but I definitely see your point. Now, considering Super Bowls what about Eli? His career stats are not inline with a HOFer but he has those damn Super Bowls, over Brady no less. I’m not saying he should get in but it’s interesting to ponder.

No chance on Rivers or Ryan. Ben, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning are obvious.

If you are putting Brees in, Ben gets it too.

I would legitimately put Desean Jackson into the HoF before Philip Rivers. Sure he was niche, but he was one of the best deep threats in league history (I say top 3 but I think top 5 is undisputed). NFL record for most career 60+ yard TDs and tied for most 80+. Rivers had solid teams, played at the most important position, and has… nothing. HE DOSNT EVEN HAVE AN ALL-PRO. Man should never get in. Very good, not worthy of Hall of Fame

As much as I hate him I think the two time rapist should make it because he has 2 SBs and a damn good career.

I’m not sure Ryan or Rivers should be in. Not with no SBs. I just don’t think their careers are good enough

Edit: also I do think Eli should get in