Ben gets in because he has 2 rings. Although his defense is what got those rings. Matt probably not because no SB. Rivers could, but with no rings it hurts. McNabb=No. Romo= No.
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Flacco = No
You forgot Eli
People who have never seen his 2011 playoff run, ignore his two Super Bowl rings and all those consecutive starts will always forget Eli. But he'll get in, trust me.
Ben goes in, he has a good combo of durability, efficiency, volume, regular season wins and playoff success, I think he has a much, much better case than Eli, Rivers and Ryan, even if the individual accolades fall short of the players generally included in the Hall at his position. The thing is we can't overestimate the counting stats for the Matt Ryan/Phillip Rivers of the world because in 15 years they'll be what, 14th and 16th in the all time passing yards leaderboards and then what? They were among the first wave to play their whole careers under the post-2004 rule change that made passing explode (and then it exploded again post 2007 or so), of course they'll rank highly in the volume categories. But then there's a good chance they'll be surpassed by guys like Stafford, Goff... I love that the football Hall of Fame is very selective. Don't want to turn it into the NBA, where it's completely watered down.
If Kurt Cousins had finished this season, and say played 3 more at his career pace (4,000 yards, 28 tds), I think that's when the bar would be moved up
Based on total numbers, he'd be a Hall of Fame borderline guy. But he absolutely never passed the eye test.
So, get ahead of it. To me, Matt Ryan is the first guy out - an MVP, a conference title, some bulk stats, but doesn't scream Hall of Fame to me.
They’ll draw it at 1: Good Stats and either 2: multiple super bowls OR 2: An MVP
Matt gets in, Ben gets in, Rivers and Eli don’t.
Ben, Rivers, Eli, Matt Ryan will all get in.
Ben, Eli & Rivers will be first ballot.
Matt Ryan will probably take a couple, but wouldn’t be surprised if he makes it in first cut.
Two-ring soup.
Phil Rivers is the Kerry Collins of 60,000 yard passers
Eli isn't even close to being a HOFer. His stats are atrocious. Be serious.
Same for Rivers.
Re Philip Rivers: I see absolutely no argument for him making the HoF. A guy who never won a super bowl and was never once in his career a top 3 QB in the league.
So he wasn't the best individual player at his position, and he never enjoyed significant team success...what exactly makes him a hall of famer?
Oddly enough I think Ben gets in because he had the best traits of Ryan and Rivers. He could put the ball in the tightest windows like Matt in his prime but also had more willingness to take risks like Rivers. He would air it out and give his playmakers a chance.
For me the most frustrating thing about Matt is when he got in his own head and wouldn’t force the Ball to Julio when he was in the end zone. The guy was so dominant but Ryan was too timid.
Rivers was a gunslinger. High risk high reward. He had awesome weapons in his career. I think his downfall was he was always in a really tough division for the best years of his career
Not even a hard question tbh. Ben makes it, the other 2 don't.
A player has to be elite among their positional peers. Yardage, completions even in the face of a losing team matters. All Pro years and MVP awards along If I had to put them in order…1) Ben, 2) Matt Ryan, 3) Phillip Rivers. None of them are 1st ballot. It might take 5-6 ballots for each of them given some of the names coming up…
If we exclude off the field controversy, then Ben is a first ballot HOFer.
I don't think Rivers or Ryan deserve it. We have a league now that caters to the passing game, they are not anywhere near what Dan Fouts or Marino or Moon or even Ken Anderson had to go through to put up big statistical years.
I'm not to fall on my sword for the guy...I'm not going to blow a gasket if he never gets in...but Eli absolutely should go in over Rivers or Ryan. If Eli only won one, only has one conference championship road win, sure. Exclude. But the biggest moments trump the juicy QB friendly stats of the modern era.
Matthew Stafford, undecided, not wrapped up in him, but he should get in over Rivers and Ryan.
I cant express how mad I'm going to be when Kirk Cousins gets inducted.
For what it's worth, he seems to be a great guy off the field, I just don't think he belongs anywhere near the hall of fame and I have a bad feeling he'll get in without having to wait very long. They really need a standard tho, I think Matt Ryan is a decent place to start from.
I think Big Ben is the line between getting in and not, if you aren’t above him you won’t make it. You didn’t mention Eli but I think he’s more likely than Rivers tbh.
Philip rivers is the line. I wouldn’t be upset if he gets in but anyone beneath him does not belong I’m
Are we sure about Brady?
Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford all feel like they shouldn't get in...
Ben will probably get in at some point (idk how long it'll take tho)
Ryan could get in after a long wait. I don't see rivers ever making it
Not sure how hot or cold of a take this is but all 3 are getting in
Big Ben has two rings and great all time stats. No idea how you consider him in the tier with Philip Rivers and Matt Ryan and below Brees.
Big Ben gets in. Ryan and Rivers don't. Neither won a Superbowl. Plus they combined for ZERO rape accusations.
Flacco
Never considered Ryan for HOF. Maybe I'm missing something. Long career which pads stats and a good 1st half in a super bowl isn't HOF worthy. I'm an Eli fan and his SB performance is all time good, but not enough for HOF. Ben could make it.
Ben gets in for sure.
Phillip Rivers is NOT even in the HOF conversation. It's laughable. He didn't do shit.
Regarding Ben Roethlisberger, name me one eligible NFL QB who has started in three Super Bowls but is not in the Hall of Fame.
Also, I think it's fair to say that playing QB in the AFC North is more difficult than playing QB in the AFC West or NFC South. There's no climate-controlled indoor stadium or sunny southern California in the AFC North. Instead, some QBs get their brains bashed in by the Ravens and Bengals defenses, often in poor weather conditions. It's hard for a QB to keep his numbers pretty in a situation like that.
Overall, this is how I see the pre-2016 era of NFL QBs, listed in chronological order by entry into the league:
In on the first ballot
- Peyton Manning
- Tom Brady
- Drew Brees
- Aaron Rodgers
In, but not on the first ballot
- Kurt Warner
- Eli Manning
- Ben Roethlisberger
Probably in
- Russell Wilson
Borderline
- Philip Rivers
- Matt Ryan
Hall of Very Good
- Donovan McNabb
- Carson Palmer
- Tony Romo
- Alex Smith
- Matthew Stafford
- Cam Newton
As for the QBs who have entered the NFL since 2016, Patrick Mahomes is the only one with a clear path to the Hall of Fame. The rest of them still have a lot to prove, but also a lot of time to prove it.
I have Big Ben way ahead of Rivers and Ryan.
Even throwing away all stats, he's the only one of those guys who was ever a scary opponent in a meaningful game
Phillip Rivers is a lock for Babymaker HOF.
I may seemed biased, but if Rivers is in the conversation based on stats alone, then we have to include Romo in the conversation.
IMO, neither did enough to get in. Ben for sure, Matt is a toss up. But I’d lean towards no.
Big Ben yes. Rivers no unless a long wait on the ballot. Matty is a no. Probably bc of 28-3
Ben is a lock. The only reason his PFF monitor score is low is because he never got individual recognition during his career because of the era he played. He was right there with the best QBs of his era, took his team to three Super Bowls (won 2) never had a losing season in a season he started the majority of games, put up gaudy individual game stats where he still holds the records, etc.
Guys like Ryan and Rivers had much less actual accomplishments but put up numbers that didn't really mean anything long-term. The history of the NFL cannot be written without mentioning Ben. Ryan is relegated to a mention in the Super Bowl he choked away and Rivers doesn't need mentioned at all unless there's a weird section about sexual potency.
If it was up to me, None of these guys should make it. No SBs for Ryan and Rivers, and the Steelers have played the ugliest football in the league the past 20 years. Out of the three I like Rivers the most but he has the lowest chance of getting in. Realistically, Ryan is 50/50 and Big Ben is definitely getting in with the on-paper results
Can you tell the story of the NFL without bringing up X player?
You can’t without talking about Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, etc
You can without talking about Rivers, Ryan, etc
That’s the line.
They all should get in. The quarterbacks surrounding them are all HOF. Also with some quarterbacks that don’t belong, but are in, such as Namath or Kelly, only heighten the reason for why those 3 should be in.
Ben makes it eventually, Eli is similar to Ben and probably makes it because of the storylines, Ryan doesn't get in (but he would for sure if they won the super bowl, just unlucky for him), rivers doesn't get in either.
Being honest none of them should get in...neither 3 was ever the best qb
Regarding Ben Roethlisberger, name me one eligible NFL QB who has started in three Super Bowls but is not in the Hall of Fame.
Also, I think it's fair to say that playing QB in the AFC North is more difficult than playing QB in the AFC West or NFC South. There's no climate-controlled indoor stadium or sunny southern California in the AFC North. Instead, some QBs get their brains bashed in by the Ravens and Bengals defenses, often in poor weather conditions. It's hard for a QB to keep his numbers pretty in a situation like that.
Overall, this is how I see the pre-2016 era of NFL QBs, listed chronologically by entry into the league:
In on the first ballot
- Peyton Manning
- Tom Brady
- Drew Brees
- Aaron Rodgers
In, but not on the first ballot
- Kurt Warner
- Eli Manning
- Ben Roethlisberger
Probably in
- Russell Wilson
Borderline
- Donovan McNabb
- Philip Rivers
- Matt Ryan
Hall of Very Good
- Carson Palmer
- Tony Romo
- Alex Smith
- Matthew Stafford
- Cam Newton
As for the QBs who have entered the NFL since 2016, Patrick Mahomes is the only one with a clear path to the Hall of Fame. The rest of them still have a lot to prove, but also a lot of time to prove it.
Ryan and Rivera have no shot.
Ben, Rivers and Matt all get in. May not be first ballot but they will eventually
Roethlisberger has the 2 Superbowl wins, plus a 3rd appearance that would have been a 3rd win if not for Fumbly McSlickFingers
He has the Volume stats overall, most wins as a rookie, lead the lead in passing twice, and iirc, the most 500+ yard games in history