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Without Brady emerging , had Belichick been stuck with Bledsoe after that terrible contract handed out in 2000, I believe, he’s likely gone by 2002 or 2003.

I don’t think his style is plug and play with every team. It was just the right situation with QB to make everyone buy into it.

because those coaches didn’t have tom brady. just like bill doesn’t now.

It was Brady all along

Cuz they didn’t have Tom Brady

Perhaps because, you know, BB is an overrated coach himself who got carried by the GOAT QB. I really do not understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp. BB is a defensive minded coach and he had good teams in the 2000s because he knew how to build a defense based on the NFL landscape at the time. Since 2011, he's been shit and has absolutely gotten carried by Brady.

They all try to be insufferable assholes like Bellicheck without the success. I remember the Bill O'Brien days in Houston and even when he was winning the division it was obvious he's a raging asshole. It might work for a little while, and it will even work when the team is winning but unless you're a savant with an all time great QB you can't have a better than you mentality towards adults who are trying to play hard and provide for their families.

Grown men don't respond well to being talked down too and lorded over especially when the coach doing it are just a side kick to the one who's actually been successful.

The same reason Bill Belicheck fell off, no more illegal cameras.

Because coaching trees are made up things that don’t really matter and we o my know about them because sports TV needs to find something to fill time.

Like coaching trees are such a useless lens of analysis - was I meaningfully shaped in my ideas about what I do from having some guy as my manager for 2 years? Should he have some kind of claim or credit for my future accomplishments?

See how ridiculous it is?

Tom Brady was what provided success, not the coaching. I’m not sure how some people haven’t realized this.

Because Brady carried the entire coaching staff on his back lol

There was only one Tom Brady

My older brother had Seahawks season tickets in the 90s, he recalled when Belichicks Browns came to town, Belichick was met with chants of "Beavis and Belichick, Beavis and Belichick" (Belichick replacing Butthead from the popular TV Show for those in the sub who not of age to have been required to get a prostate exam).
Im not saying he's not an all time great, but its a bit suspect that he was less than successful both before he had Brady and seemingly after...

Because they don't have Tom Brady. BB is well under .500 w/o Brady.

These guys thrived as UNDERLINGS, I mean, I could see that most of them weren't HC material. HC is different than OC or DC!!!!

I know we make fun of college football on here but like….that Nick Saban guy is a pretty good coach. Always wonder what he would’ve done with Drew Brees.

because none of them had Tom Brady?

They’d have success as well if they cloned the Goat.

Because - IT. WAS. NEVER. BILL.

Because he is not really a good coach without Brady.

I imagine there was a lot of haggling over that "imperfect" descriptor lol. Gotta think the first pass was "rotten" but they didn't want to be so aggressive.

Sean Payton & Drew Brees, Mike Mcarthy & Rodgers, Brady & Belichick. All were once revered coach and QB combos but once the QB leaves, the coach doesn’t seem too good anymore

It’s funnier to imagine BB’s “coaching tree” as sleeper agents he sends out to sabotage other teams

Maybe, just maybe all the Patriot’s success can be attributed to Brady’s magic… At this point we can’t take anything away from Belichick since it’s just impossible to argue what ifs. But all signs point to him getting carried to success by his QB. Nobody that was a part of that staff has had any luck since.. If Bill was really as good as he’s made out to be, why has he dropped so bad? I get you don’t have Brady, but you should at least be able to keep your team above average based on your credentials right?

Cheating

My opinion is that he just doesn't mentor them. He probably coaches the fuck out of his players and imparts his wisdom on them but I don't think I've ever seen any articles about Bill being a mentor to his coaches. Or teaching them. He's probably helpful and professional to them and trusts them but I feel like that's pretty much it. Dude is a control freak who wants to be involved in every aspect no?

If you look at Andy Reid, he does seem like a mentor and coach to his coaches, not just his players. Seems like he actively encourages his coaches to move up and get those opportunities to grow. Harbaugh, McDsrmott, and Pederson have all coached for Reid and have done pretty damn well for themselves.

Goddamn, reading this thread you would think Tom Brady went out there and played both offense and defense, then won all those games single handedly.

Goddamn, the guy kept the Patriots on top for almost 2 decades and whenever that happens you end up selling tomorrow for today, the crash to the bottom is inevitable.

It was Tom.

After reading his letter to Trump it became clear he's a halfwit who was carried by his QB.

Because they were all good with the GOAT at QB.

Cuz coaching trees are dumb and dont matter.

In a word: Brady

They didn’t have Tom Brady

I’m happy the “Bill Belichick is overrated” conversations happen semi frequently here cuz it reminds me 90% of this sub has no fucking clue what they’re talking about.

Because Belichick is the talent and the other coaches just follow his system. The odd part is that a good chunk of Belichick's talent is his personality and style. The grumpy, no BS style worked for him because he is just a straight up football savant. Some of his assistants that got head coaching jobs were just trying to emulate him and they couldn't.

Well, to be able to coach and build a team like what the Patriots WERE, you need one of the best QBs that ever played the game buy in on your methods.

Cause they can’t take TB12 with them.

Because it's not a tree, it's a branch of the Parcells tree.

Because Tom Brady carried that franchise for two decades. I bet Josh McDaniel's playbook was actually created by Tom Brady. And the reason it doesn't work in New England or whenever a coach leaves New England is because Tom Brady isn't running it. He probably knows exactly which plays work, how to adjust the lineup, etc etc.