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As admins, we removed the scat communities, thinking that scat was covered by the NSFL. However, some people have opposing views on this matter. What do you think about it? If people want it allowed, then we can restore content.

https://strawpoll.com/wby5Ae7PXyA

Edit: My answer for friends in the comments; The main reason NSFL was banned is because we currently don't have the tools to separate porn from NSFL. I'm in favor of the ban because I think its the same way in scat. If we had enough tools right now, we wouldn't be ban the NSFL either. Although, I agree that voting for niche fetishes doesn't make sense.

Edit 2: Also I don't want to think about shit anymore. I'm out ๐Ÿ˜€ https://lemmynsfw.com/post/117500

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just a user here, but I'd say a small subset of users in other instances are already asking to defederate from this instance for some of the basic communities that show up, like gonewild. I just don't see allowing a fetish "at this time" being helpful to the situation.

The mod tools are not there yet, even if you added the ability to opt-in on just this instance. If someone subscribes to the community from a different instance it will show up for ALL USERS on the all feed for that instance. And well, thats just shitty (pun intended) for those who don't like the kink but want to see nsfw communities. Now you've put the problem on the users who must choose to block the community.

So, while I'm a big supporter of kinks, I am not in support of allowing it on lemmy today. voted accordingly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If someone subscribes to the community from a different instance it will show up for ALL USERS on the all feed for that instance.

Wow, that seems like something that needs to be changed ASAP.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's a feature, not a bug, though there's some debate on the Lemmy GitHub about the wisdom of locally caching federated nsfw content.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I assume scat means shit? Poop? Is that right?

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's not for me but as long as it's clearly labelled, can be blocked by anyone who doesn't want to see that stuff, and there aren't dozens of them popping up every day then I don't see a problem with allowing it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I'm on a tracker that allows scat and there's a userscript to filter it out based on tags. Seems to work well for everyone. Maybe there's a similar solution for Lemmy?

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Just let them have their own community. If this is supposed to be THE goto NSFW lemmy instance you shouldn't ban NSFW content as long as it doesn't break any laws.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Not personally my kink (kinda the opposite actually) but I'm loving all the perverts here having a constructive conversation about poop porn lol.

Lemmy on y'all

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Not a fan of scat, but it's harmless to me so I'm in favor of allowing it but blocking it on my own.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tbh I'd rather not see it, and feel like it falls under nsfl (which doesn't have to be illegal either).

I understand that it's a thing, but as someone else described it, it's like nsfw+. There's a huge range of nsfw from bikini shots to this or other stuff.

I guess I can always just watch the subscribed feed but that prevents natural discovery, and it's not the default.

So I suggest... Asking people to refrain from posting it for the time being until better filters exist. It's not exactly fair I know, but it's not like it's the only category that's questionable like that.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same argument of the gore ban applies: https://feddit.it/comment/128064

The main problem with NSFL is that you should only find it if you're looking for it. I have noproblemi with it once better mod tools, instance or community options pop up with lemmy updates. As of now, I vote to ban it

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Who are you to define what is nsfl. There are people in here arguing consensual non consent is nsfl. How long till furry or trans communities are banned too

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

As long as it stays on dedicated communities, I don't really care if it sticks around. I just block the community from showing up on my feed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Allow it. If I have to look at gay furry porn you fuckers can deal with scat.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I wish there was a way to disable the local feed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

someone explain to me how this is different from banning gay porn?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can someone link the definition of NSFL? The one I'm familiar with would not cover this.

As a side note, I recognize that the limitations and immaturity of the tools/code will force us to make rules and exceptions we don't like. Even if it is banned, it should be revisited later when better capabilities are available

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

NSFL stands for Not Safe For Life. While NSFW covers things that are generally considered socially acceptable in private situations, but inappropriate for more public or formal situations, NSFL is for stuff that could be traumatizing or deeply disturbing, even in a private context.

Stuff like extreme violence or abuse can be more obvious examples of NSFL, but stuff like scat is more of a gray (well, gray-ish brown) area.

Ultimately, the issue is that this place needs a more sophisticated filtering system.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Can someone link the definition of NSFL? The one Iโ€™m familiar with would not cover this.

There's no real consensus on the full extent for what NSFL encapsulates. I think everyone agrees guro would fall under it, but not everyone would agree (as seen in this thread) on scat.

But here's definitions from wikitionary and the top one on ubran dictionary

(Internet slang) Initialism of not safe for life.; i.e. containing graphic or repugnant content (e.g. gore or lethal violence) that risks psychological trauma to those viewing it

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/NSFL

Not Safe For Life; when something is so fucked up that even the raunchiest people would be scarred from it

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NSFL

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah fuck i want some scat, i wanna see shit.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Server is working smooth btw.

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