Asofon

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[–] Asofon@discuss.online 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

It really, really isn't. Most people (think they) know Christianity and then pattern match everything else to it, instead of looking at other religions as arising from completely different frameworks, with very different philosophical assumptions about the world.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online -1 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Absurdity of all religion

I'm willing to bet they only know Christianity and think all religions are like Christianity, just with a different looking skydaddy.

 

Frequently seen in the sentiment "everyone should be free to do whatever they want" and the part they don't say out loud is "except form a collective that limits the freedoms of people".

It also follows from the sentiment "there should be no borders" (as that necessarily sets the demand that everyone should agree with you to not have borders)

The paradox is that to maintain a "free" society, the system must eventually coerce those who do not consent to being "free" in the way the system defines it.

(Also anticipating the harm reduction principle as a protest: who gets to define what is "harmful" and why should everyone agree? It just kicks the can down the road.)

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago

I hear you, is all I can say. I hope you find our way!

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People want borders for exactly the same reasons you want a yard to do stuff in. You can direct that question right at yourself. Why do you want to have your own space? If someone comes along and tries to force you to give up your space, would you try to "get along" and just relinquish your space, or would you defend it? Why do you think you have more rights to that space than the other person? We don't tend to like it but there is no ultimate law in the universe that says that people can't acquire a space with violence.

You're asking questions about human nature that you yourself are equally subject to.

I do get the frustration. Best solution I can offer is just working on the level of the self. Like I said, non-attachment. Read some philosophy. Look into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism (also https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKUeOXz8J87Q9qi-YfBfkT1KlKyhdKhrj). That was the only way I was able to finally come to increasing amount of acceptance of reality without losing my will to try to have at least small positive impacts on the world while I'm here. Actually I'm more effective at it because it helped me significantly reduce endlessly chasing after pointless dopamine fixes and trying to get "more" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill).

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Not that I disagree with the sentiment but you are veering close to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_paradox

You can buy a piece of land in bumfuck nowhere and try to live off it. Or you can join a community that tries to do that (more realistic). There's the whole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-grid thing

Problem is that most people want the conveniences of modern, globalist life, and many people don't have a realistic choice.

Personally I try to find a balance between Buddhist non-attachment and making do with the life I got.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a treacherous intoxicant. People love recreational outrage but for many people it turns into active, seething hate that colors every interaction they have. It's the lens through which many view the world and it becomes self-perpetuating. People will have angry and hateful interactions with others, begetting more hate, begetting more hate, begetting more hate.

The fury feels good in a moment. Makes you feel strong. Find some like-minded people angry at the same things and you get to feed off each other's rage. You'll not only get more reasons to hate, but you'll feel justified in the hate. You are in the right. The others are wrong. How dare the others be wrong. You must hate them because they are evil. See how they respond to your hate with more hate, further proving how justified you are in your own hate. It warms your chest, it rushes through your veins like the best alcohol you can imagine and you're not feeling so helpless. It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something. It masks the feeling that you are just one, small person faced with an impossibly complicated world, that is often filled with incredible injustice. It keeps you from realizing that you're a tiny little cog in the same machine that causes both all the suffering and all the joy in the world. It tricks you into thinking that you are both apart from the world, yet powerful enough to impact it.

Every hateful comment you leave adds more hate into the machine. Every act of kindness adds more kindness. But hate is easier. Kindness feels weak. It's vulnerable. It's fragile. Even if you're kind, the hate that others keep adding may reach you and bite you. Most people can handle having their teeth kicked in only for so many times. It's easier to shut down and hate. But that doesn't mean that commitment to kindness is impossible. It's just harder.

And so it goes, and so it goes.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Tell me you had a certain experience without telling me you had a certain experience.

Were you taught to not talk in certain terms about how your world "shattered"? Because I was.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not cheering for "Might makes Right".

If you value dialogue, and if someone who doesn't decides "Might makes Right", you're going to have to be "mighty" enough to at least defend your values. Else, your values will be stomped out. Or as I said, you need to accept the consequences of surrender (or absolute pacifism).

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong in this, just pointing out the logical consequences.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

War is never desirable, but this does not make pacifism a virtue. Rather, peace must be guaranteed by strength

Yeah.

Once someone decides that Might DOES make Right, everyone is in that game whether they like it or not. Of course one can totally surrender, if they are okay with the consequences of that.

That said, Might also does Make Right in the sense that those who wield power get to decide what "Right" is. It's just that the more it departs from common human sensibilities, the more they have to wield Might to make it Right.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sam Harris isn't IDW nor alt right. You're basing your comments on 7 year old memes, born from him failing the ideological purity tests developed by 13 year old Tumblrites.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is so key.

I recommend reading Paul Bloom's book Against Empathy. Compassion is the way to go, empathy is easy to weaponize.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 2 points 3 weeks ago

Made me snort.

 

Just something in my life is like this. I feel like I'm getting ever closer to it but there's always half the distance to it remaining.

I know all the things about how to deal with that but man... it's a hell of a feeling, mixture of being both tantalized and tormented. I don't think I even hate the feeling. There's something vaguely similar to holding off on an orgasm. Ultimate tease by life itself, except there's no safeword.

 

"Thoughts are tools, not truths"

 

Accessibility Version

People really are thinking that their Discord dramas etc. are important. And people really, really think, that because they have 100k subs on YouTube, they’re important, better somehow.

We have had all of the internet for decades and people’s media literacy has only gone down. A lot. People rather spend hours arguing online about who is evil and who is good instead of reading some bare minimum philosophy and doing a bit of introspection, checking their own thinking. I see people repeat painfully common talking points about the nature of reality as if we didn’t have tons of literature challenging every single thought you could ever have about it. “MaYbE wE lIvE in A SiMuLAtiOn”… Read about Plato’s cave. Read Nondual texts. Read BOOKS. And these same people are out there trying to change the world. I fucking promise you, every single profound thought you’ve had while smoking a bit too much weed has been discussed in philosophy for thousands of years.

People still say shit like “pull yourself up from the bootstraps” as if willpower and free will in general were some kind of endless resource everyone has but because they “choose” to be lazy/worthless/etc. they just don’t use it. And people are quick to agree with this when we talk about mental health issues, which is great. But ask them to apply the same logic to people they disagree with politically, suddenly “correct opinions” are just out there, available and everyone who doesn’t just adopt them just like that must be evil. Everyone who didn’t grow up smart enough, in an environment that encourages learning must be evil.

Good and Evil. Also things that don’t exist in anything else but the human mind and somehow, we kill people over it. You’ve been brainwashed into believing into good and evil since you were a kid, because we’re generations into people who were also brainwashed to believe it. It takes conscious effort to drop that belief, and a fuckton of willingness to NOT consider yourself morally superior. You value human well-being to whatever point you do and if you’re lucky, you’ll run into your personal trolley problem sooner or later. Whatever you think about yourself is nonsense anyway, you’re a different person every moment of every day. No, you don’t have mental illness about it, that’s the natural state of all humans but at some point we actually started to believe that we are supposed to come with a cute little description about our True Self on the box we were shipped in (thanks American media industry). Then we angst over not knowing who we are, or not living up to who we are supposed to be, or not being able to fulfill our potential or whatever spin you internalized about The Finding Out Who You Really Are© project. And most of all, whatever you think you are, you certainly aren’t good enough (buy this product, it might make you good enough).

People STILL in the year 2026 make an artificial separation between the mind and the body, all because Western psychology was largely colored by Christian beliefs in souls. At best, people go “oh yeah sure, exercising is really good for your mind”. True. Now let’s say that mental hygiene is good for the body and you get called an antivaxxer. Tell people that you practice Loving-Kindness meditation and people call you weird or tell you that it’s pointless because nobody is going to change because you send them good vibes. These same people are the ones spending hours online, calling others racists, cucks, libtards, rightoids, removeds, nazis, pedos and more. But the weird ones are those who cultivate compassion for 20 minutes a day and gently cradle their hate in love, instead of vomiting it on others. But let’s be trauma-aware, put in trigger warnings, consider accessibility and disabilities. The Buddhist monks doing the walk get shit because “they’re just walking” - yeah but they aren’t posting the upteenth tired meme about how much The Other Side sucks.

Propaganda still works. After all this shit past few years, people ACTUALLY somehow still believe that’s it’s a good idea to discuss politics on social media. Because they’re totally sure that THEIR side is impartial, trustworthy and flawless. There couldn’t possibly be bad actors on THEIR side with the sole intention of spreading misinformation.

People march over homeless people in their own city, protesting for some issue happening on the other side of the globe that they can’t do anything about.

It’s a weird fucking timeline.

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