I think we need this too.
Candelestine
joined 2 years ago
I disagree with what you say, but will defend to death your right to say it. If you don't hear that often, find better friends.
I can agree with and support that. I would not extend that boycott to trying to silence other individuals though. I'd prefer to try to convince them.
When that opinion is shutting down dialogue, cowardly avoidance and censorship, it becomes a far dumber opinion than anyone else's.
Sure, that's fine and good, dialogue to your hearts content. But don't think fixing them is our job. Only war could save the Uyghurs, providing it did not go nuclear. And fighting a war against China is dangerous..
Their entire race is, unfortunately, dead men walking and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. China simply does not have to listen to our wishes. We need to worry about our people, not policing the rest of the world.
Of course they are. But once they start telling other people what to do, they are doing a different thing from that, are they not?
People are allowed to support whatever political causes they wish, so long as they are willing to engage civilly and fairly with other people. This is how the modern world works, with dialogue and debate instead of censorship, cowardly avoidance and control.
As possible as anything else, but it would be unusual. I find it strange that people are so eager to reach for unusual explanations when the actual, conventional extremist trolls absolutely exist. This would be 100% in-character for them, and would benefit their goals very clearly.
Occam's Razor.
Additionally, they would try to point the finger at absolutely everyone except for them, as that would clearly serve their goals of general misinformation and distrust.
Yeah, we need to spread out a little more. Fediverse is not about having centralized concentrations that can be targetted.
Ideally every minor Instance could have one major community located there, that could serve as the central space for that particular community. That's pretty impossible of course, but it paints the picture.
The reason people like to single out Russian and Chinese troll farms is because we cannot do anything to stop them. Our domestic problems are things we can combat, however.
This is a key distinction, and should be remembered.
Excellent breakdown. However, I'd like to point out one thing. Much like Vladimir Putin's Invasion, they catastrophically overplayed their hand.
They needed to keep it on the down-low for another 5-10 years, break people down further, spread unnoticed longer. But they didn't, and now their tricks are becoming much more widely noticed and remarked on. A whole generation of old /b/astards has additionally grown up, long since forgotten the cancerous death of their old spot, but never actually forgotten the skills they acquired there. We fucking wrote most of their playbook, the dumbshits.
The real opponent they need to take down? I think the recent spate of attacks demonstrates exactly who that really is, and it's not hard to guess why. We're not such an ignorant bunch though, and we're getting fucking tired of finding new platforms. Fucking bring it.
It comes down to methodology. Any way you can think of to fight something by actually opressively destroying it, in a free society, will fail. The reason for this is that it's not something that can be fought with aggression, most of the time anyway. It has to be fought carefully, or your combat will simply fuel anything that feeds on strife and fear. Which conspiracies do, it's exactly what they feed on.
To make an analogy, it's not Batman that Gotham needs. It's lots of money, doctors and teachers. It doesn't need violence, it doesn't need evil people being punched in the face, it needs better medical treatment and fairer laws.