lemm1ngs

Thanks for your well written reply

The Matrix p2p project is not even alpha. You should join the p2p room @matrix.org if you have some curiousity. Problems like storing distributing the data are not fully solved. I think you will have a mix of devices including heavier servers. They are trying to integrate each device as another home server but thats not ideal I think.

I do think p2p can be done and for forum type platforms. These are just not solved problems because as is said among dencentralizers centralization is easy! federation seems a natural stepping stone to p2p, after all instances or servers are really peers or nodes themselves it's just when you push out to lowerpower devices and so many of them things become a bit different. I surpose that is why the Matrix's p2p dev Neil is working on the server now.

I think p2p will need content to be distributed among nodes. I am looking forward to ipfs intergration on matrix as the media performance is horrible.

Note that there’s another solution allowed by the following property: an instance can be federated with two instances who are not federated with each other. Concretely, this means that you can create an instance who both has a CoC for its own content strict enough to federate with safe space ones, and federates with instances who have a less strict CoC to access their content.

You have lost me a bit on this. So are you saying one of the duplicate instances acts like a filter to interact with the other safe spaces instances?

If that is the case this is the beginnings of what can just naturally exist on discussions.app

lol I didn't know its called that but I have seen the meme. Much of human existance seems to be about people trying to prove each other right or wrong.

Sorry Honestly I thought it may not search or you could explain it more. I will look into it more https://misskey.io/docs/stream

the first problem is getting enough people on a platform to cover a niche, even reddit lacks in some

really there is another way!

This is the problem how do you get different groups onto the one platform to talk and break down barriers?

Well the first problem you have is getting them onto the one platform! As can be seen you will have either left or right who can dominate a platform work to exclude the other side. This can been seen most effective in big tech where the centralized control is used to exclude one side but also happens the same on smaller centralized platforms but then still happens instance to instance in federated platforms where really each instance is a point of centralization. At this point you may notice the repeating of what the problem is, 'centralization'. Through its elimination we should be able to handle the problem. But don't also not notice the way groups or communities and moderation is done (nearly) everywhere is also points of centralization. Removing them is far from the solution as anyone who has used an unmoderated platform has seen it quickly falls victim to whomever can spam the most crap. You can however decentralize these things and empower users each to have a platform how they want. Have a look how discussions.app is doing and is planning to do its platform.

misskey?

I will explain how discussions.app is doing this which I think is the future and would like to see on more platforms especially federated ones.

Discussions.app has you post content either inside a community or a topic . The community or topic has a #tag associated with it and posting within them will attach that #tag to your content. You could though otherwise attach a topic's or community's #tag to your content or any other #tag you like for any other topic or community. Doing so will see your content picked up by those topics or communities. Here is the thing with communities they can pickup any #tags they want including those of another community. With that you can also fork communities on the platform while each has their own different moderation too.

The idea is each user is empowered to organize and shape the platform how they want as a group or individual. It seems to work well.

Sorry I made it far more complicated than it is.

as in only an ahole picks on a person's language on the net!

ahole? lol

Its a problem of the data structure allowing the silos to form in the first place, the same things happen on matrix. Have a look at discussions.app and how they do topics and communities. I see its method for this as the future of social media. It would be good to see a federated platform try at least some of it.

To me this is the problem with federation and fixed monopolized communities and topics. It becomes very difficult for people to find things or each other. This is exasperated when these platforms are small as you can often have 1 or 2 users hidden away somewhere on the platform. A platform like discussions.app is trying to solve these problems, you should look into it.

I know on matrix we also get cumilative totals for any account who has joined a room. I am in rooms with near a 1000 of these accounts but have only ever see about 10 people. Matrix says in total they have 30million accounts registered but my estimate there are a few 1000 active users in the main areas.