lemmy_check_that

joined 3 years ago
 

After seeing what happend on r/antiwork over at Reddit. Does Lemmy have a way to prevent somthing similar, like could another instance decide to preserve a deleted community and not have a single point of failure?

The same question can be asked if an instance suddenly closes down, can other instances keep the communities alive?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Wait, there's a right winged side of Lemmy?!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 years ago (4 children)

We’ve added a User Agent override for Slack.com, which allows Firefox users to use more Call features and have access to Huddles.

What? Shouldn't it be Slack's responsibility to update their website to support more than just Chrome, considering it's simply a user-agent check?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

I agree, I think Lemmy simply cargo culted it from Reddit, without giving it a second thought.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Also I often think people easily tend to downvote things just because they disagre, even though it might be constructive content. I have at least caught myself doing that before.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Well you are only trusting that they will deliver your messages right, all their clients are completely open-source and everything is end-to-end encrypted on the client. Even if they wanted, they could not read your messages, and this would also be true even if their servers were 100% closed-source.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Right, it's a shame that there isn't a better culture for supporting developers like there are for other things online. Maybe it's because you rarely see the actual person(s) behind the software, as you do with say influencers or streamers.

Maybe platforms like Open Collective can help making open software more financially viable. I also like the trend of big corporations sponsoring the software they build upon, like for example Blender: https://fund.blender.org/

Babel (a web compiler) also wrote a relevant blog post some month ago Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I think you're right, It's probably hard to find a business model around federation. Maybe it could work for enterprice on premise setups, similar to how Matrix is used in German healthcare. But I don't see how that would map to Lemmy in particular.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Would it actually be that bad having a giant commercial-centric instance, ie. something closer to Reddit than Lemmy. I mean imagine if Reddit could federate with Lemmy right now, then you could still choose the instance you want, but subscribe to the mainstream sphere that you also want to follow.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

CDNs are such an important pice of the Internet backbone, isn't there a way to ensure that tracking doesn't happen or at least minimize it? The same goes for ISPs, it would be quite hard to have the Internet without them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago

If you’re on iOS checkout Apollo for Reddit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Thank you for the reply. I'm happy to hear that it sounds like a more or less fixed problem. I guess that Mastodon has proven that these methods do in fact work.

Ban manipulated accounts.

I guess it's an entire field of study, how to automate spam detection. It will be nice to see how this will be applied to open-source federation in the future. Maybe it's already used?

Remove the manipulated posts / comments.

I guess this applies to upvotes as well?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

I agree that ActivityPub clients would be so nice. Imagine being able to:

  • Have multiple accounts across different instances in a single client
  • Select "post from account(s)" when writing new posts
  • Write posts using the formatter of your choice, using the AP source property. Like emacs org-mode
  • Save your feed locally for offline use
  • Integrate with your own contacts application to quickly tag friends, like when you send a friend an email
  • Organise objects/posts in folders/collections like "read/watch later" and "favorites"
 

Is there anything stopping someone from making 1000 accounts or bots to artificially upvote posts on the Lemmy network?

I guess a single instance can moderate its users using captcha etc. but since it's federated an evil actor could setup an instance without these restrictions.

An instance could maybe protect its users against this by blocking the domains of evil instances, but does this approach scale?

A solution might be to add a limit to the number of upvotes to accept from a single instance in a certain time frame, but that wont work if the other instance is very large and the upvotes are legitimate.

I'd like to hear if this issue has already been thought out or what ideas that you might have.

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