this notion that the people and the government exist as separate, independent entities where you can hate one and love the other, is entirely nonsensical.

From where I live, it looks like a typical clash of two imperial mentalities, different only in their flags' colours.

Also "communist China"? Heeelllooo? State capitalism at its best.

Yes, I visited Viome in Thessaloniki and met people from FraLib. I read a bit about Argentinian movement. However, my line of thought goes closer to the perspective of Angry Workers (see: https://www.angryworkers.org/2016/08/29/insurrection-and-production/, especially section d. The regional backbone of insurrection: empirical material about the structure of essential industries in the UK region). The difference is, they take a large-scale view and their perspective is (no wonder) workplace-centric. But they did a remarkable work nevertheless.

We will see how it is going to work. That's what the test platform is for.

Yes. Sail and pole as backup option.

Hi, I am (at least temporarily) back. No time for chats, unfortunately. War demands attention and effort. But I am getting more active internationally again, so I may have some interesting things to publish (not necessarily just technology).

I think this is the least probable group of adopters for now, at least until we reach the early majority stage. They live in a groomed bubble of corpoinfluence and are not likely to break out on themselves. The demographics, however, is on our side. In every generation there is always a group of dissidents, actively looking for something "above and beyond" and -- even bigger -- a group of those who see no alternative but getting molded into a shape that mainstream dictates.

IMO it is not the fediverse lack of anything. It is rather that fediverse appeals to those, who are not happy with the centralized media ecosystem. And such people are:

• a minority (while growing)
• very often invested in their long-term footprint in the former environment
• also often not knowing what is the fediverse about and what would they trade their "comfort zone" for.

I believe it is to us, precursors, to keep "educating, agitating and organizing" long-term, so more and more people come here, shed their toxic habits acquired in the corpozone, and become happier and caring members of their communities.

What it needs, I believe, is

1. Building our own social permaculture ecosystem.
2. Supporting technical infrastructure of fediverse by elaborating other levels of social dynamics, for example as I outlined here: https://lemmy.ml/post/63108
3. Expanding the variety of needs (social, psychological and material) fediverse services can fulfil, so people keep coming not just for a whiff of freedom. :-)

"They come for services, they stay for freedom"

Well, for now, I have installed osada (osa.tepewu.pl) and it works. Until I get a substantial help with Hubzilla or learn some serious reason to swich to Zap, so be it.

Thanks, I will try to ask there. Fully confused now...

There are two problems with it:

1. I find Hubzilla extremely unfriendly for a non-coding admin, particularly if run within Yunohost. I was unable to get any feedback from Mario, wha -- if I get it right -- is Hubzilla main dev. Zotadel is down. Hubzilla dev forum is unresponsive and Hubzilla room on Matrix seems to be above my level of competence. To do what I have to do, I'd need a full time admin/dev support which I don't have.

2. Zap is clearly declared out of AP zone, while retaining nomadic identity. I need something to interact with fediverse, not just within Zot family.

So far, Osada seems to be the least problematic and, while I see its limits (which can be later overcome with some custom plugins) I like it.

Try "edit wars" :-)

I am more and more interested in getting into hubzilla. It surely has a potential to become community hub. I just need someone to help me with configuration and integration.