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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Aren't google news biased to what you would like to see?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

If you read about the company then well... Mozilla foundation and their boss are not amazing, and payed up by google so that's not ideal. If your own web browser by default uses search engine that promotes products of competitor, and they waste ton of money of some side gigs like AI which for sure doesn't help. Oh, and also I believe that their ceo, or what is his position called, has one of the highest (or the highest) pay among UK's non-profits, and it is for sure for some reason going opposite way of precent of users if you thrown that on a chart.

For me it was also wierd that Firefox is so nice and yet few people use it. Then I started reading and understood a bit better :p Since that time I'm looking for libre (but not orthodoxic) web browser for my mobile and pc. Sadly nothing did catch my eye for now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

With that amount of respect, I will as kindly try to reply. It is not. I'm happy that you asked that, as I assume (hope) the answer wasn't obvious :)

When you brught up these sentences they sound well, so I guess I had to hear/see them before but never really noticed.

When it comes to learning, most of my "skill" in english is taken from games, films and internet. If you had played game Tibia then you probably know that it is mmorpg, and besides talking to players you also have to type to talk with NPCs. Because of that I almost never payed any attention at my english classes (that's why I often feel uncertain about grammar and some words, but anyway I never had any problems with passing even advenced versions of exams). Even so, I'm quite sure that teacher or book or some exercise never really mentioned or allowed such usage of word "they". Also in my language we really often use male/female forms in daily use. Even word for a group of people, if it is mixed, is the same as plural form for just men, so context or being able to see the group tells if it is just men or both.

Hm, do you find these changes made in this pull request done well? Are they easy for you to read?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

I think in some comment I rushed my thoughts and said that they is plural for of it... what I wanted to say is that it is plural form and not singular... gaaa but I don't know how to find this message... I even don't know how to find your oryginal post without having to scroll everything.... I guess I should learn how to use lemmur app :p But it would be so usefull to be able to jump from "replies" to oryginal post ;-;...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Well reader maybe of any gender maybe not. It for sure is good practice to assume both possibilities. But I find it much more important for someone writting instructions to make them clear and correct, not necessarly think about it as an art piece with correct punctuation.

Because they is another word and as far as I ... think I made a small mistake... They is plural form of he/she/it right? I got to correct myself in another comment I posted... Anyway I'm sure that reader of something is one person, and I don't get how addressing this person in plural form is correct? Can you point me to some examples?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Read that again. I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (5 children)

But isn't they a plural form? How is that correct and better to use than using something s/he or dear reader? Can you give an example? Also isn't singular form of they, it? How does saying "Hey boy!" or "Hey girl!" sounds worse than saying ... "Hey they!"..? That's how you think that sentence should look like?

Also u said modern english... I read articles written every day but never seen such use. Maybe when talking about group of people, then yes. Like when article is about a company or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I wrote quite a bit, but I couldn't put myself into making proper sentences so I deleted that. Maybe also because I don't read such studies as I often found them very subjective, so I couldn't really address what you were pointing to here... I'm still not convinced. Maybe some poeple try to imply by using male pronouns that women are not welcome, but I'm sure it also goes the other way around. I don't care if for somone it is simpler to use he or she in sentence. I really dislike when people divide world by their categories... male, female... It is good practice to use neutral forms or address both genders when we don't know who is going to read or hear what we are going to say. That's all I find there is to it. Trying to censor or change text and speech is a bad way to go about it. I heard a lot about impact of vocabulary on how people think... there was also well known fiction book about society in which government changed dictionaries... was that "1984"? Anyway I find disturbing when one group of people tells rest of the world how they should talk, and by that how they should think.

I don't find anything wrong in that there is less women playing chess than men (if that is true). If because of that someone explaining chess tactic will while giving example use "he"... I guess a lot depends on context... it would be better (more proper practice) to use neutal words like player where possible, but if not and someone uses "he" or "she" I don't care. If I want to do something I won't stop because someone would say "she".

I don't understand this movement to force people to do what some view as good or better etc... If there is few women playing chess... Why do you care? Will you force women to play more chess to make statistics look better? Maybe just majority of women and men, well people.. just don't like chess? Maybe more men play it... but why would that matter? Why so many people recently scream black people are this... white are this... women... man... etc. It looks for me that by fighting with stereotypes some are just putting others into boxes, divide people into groups and explain everything with statistics which when it comes to unit are almost always wrong.

Censoring books, speech, destroying monuments, destroying memory, hate... these are the worst offenses.

Someone somewhere here in comments wrote something about using form "they"... But isn't it a plural form? Isn't singular form... it? I'm not a thing, and you are not one either. Using s/he as it was in there already written is the best way in my opinion to address both possible options. I'm not english native so maybe there is something I'm missing.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 years ago (10 children)

I change my opinion. This is terrible to read for me. Especially when there often were used things like "s/he". This looks like pushing some ideology, not making better readable text.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (7 children)

tldr: probably somewhat useful change, but I don't agree with your rhetoric

Well... or the text was written by a male programmer and he was addressing himself as most people do when they write something, and in some languages this is much simpler. Thinking about about gender while writting technical documentation should be a second thought (as it is here too). Docs should contain good and precise information, that's their first purpose.

Nothing in the world is obvious, especially in tech (unless some people did a really good job).

If someone thinks that they can't do something, unless it isn't clearly specified so, the fault is in education of such person.

I agree that refining is good, and these changes may make easier for someone to read the docs. I don't understand why you are so into it. I'm really not sure if this promoted anything, or changed anything really useful. Vim isn't better, just more correctly written (taking in consideration that author didn't knew who would read the text, it is better to use neutral words).

In my country there is also that "stereotype" about nurses. But when 99% of nurses are female, and language forces me to use one or another I would shoot and ask "where is she" not where is he as I would only got 1% to hit. That's why I don't agree with your example.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Now I saw that you wrote about that in your README.md. You did great job on that btw. There is ton of really usefull and important information. Big thanks for that :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Okay. Thanks :)

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