Pre-commitment is such a silly concept, and also a cultish justification for not changing course.
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What’s pernicious (for kool-aided people) is that the initial Roko post was about a “good” AI doing the punishing, because ✨obviously✨ it is only using temporal blackmail because bringing AI into being sooner benefits humanity.
In singularian land, they think the singularity is inevitable, and it’s important to create the good one verse—after all an evil AI could do the torture for shits and giggles, not because of “pragmatic” blackmail.
Thank god for wikipedia and other wikis, may they live long and prosper.
I think for the Yud variety specifically a good summary is : "Taking all the wrong lessons from science fiction, and building a cult around it’s villains, and celebrating “Rational” villains + a belief in the inevitability of world changing technological progress"
Good video overall, despite some misattributions.
Biggest point I disagree with: "He could have started a cult, but he didn't"
Now I get that there's only so much Toxic exposure to Yud's writings, but it's missing a whole chunk of his persona/æsthetics. And ultimately I thing boils down to the earlier part that stange did notice (via echo of su3su2u1): "Oh Aren't I so clever for manipulating you into thinking I'm not a cult leader, by warning you of the dangers of cult leaders."
And I think even expect his followers to recognize the "subterfuge".
Another good older vid mostly about Grummz, buy youtube essayist Shaun: Stellar Blade: The Fake Outrage. A bit on the more twitch/video game side of things.
It must be nice not being so terminally online as myself, for reasons which at least partially escape my ken, I occasionally visit Twitter, and I am subscribed to it's dear leader, I get to enjoy a lot of the boosted nazi nonsense. (His account is followed by Elon)
Also disturbing that OP's chosen handle—Screwtape—is that of a fictional demon, Senior tempter. A bit à-propos.
More distressingly the vibe coding article seems to have been nominated and approved for the "Did you know" section with very little discussion: webarchive:wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know/Approved#Vibe_coding
It's still in the client list as of today.
It's also such a bad description, since from their own post, the Bot+LLM they where using was almost certainly feeding itself data found by a search engine.
That's like saying, no I didn't give the amoral PI any private information, I merely gave them a name to investigate!
EDIT: Also lol at this part of the original disclaimer: