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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/0n_land on 2025-01-30 03:43:33+00:00.


For my solo shelter in 2024 I used an X-mid 1 fly that I modified by sewing on perimeter mesh. I still enjoy using it so I wanted to share why I chose this option, how I did it, and a brief “review”.

Most of us who've seen copious X-mid photos should be able to visualize this, but here are photos.

Why:

I cowboy camp often, and have an Xmid 2 for trips with partners. I use a 1p shelter for all my summer guiding in mountain ecosystems (~30 nights), and for other trips where it's cold/rainy. Here are the other shelters I used/considered:

  • Gossamer Gear The One: I used this tent for two summers guiding in Wyoming (75 nights), and am a big fan the weight:price ratio, the simplicity of the single wall design, and the packability. I found its durability and stormworthinwss fully adequate. I stopped using it mostly because at 6’2” I needed to use the end timeouts (extra fuss) and my feet would still touch the fly. A secondary issue is the silnylon fabric does indeed sag when wet.
  • Normal Xmid (with inner): Obviously a good option, but I am looking for my 1p shelter to save more weight over my Xmid 2 than this would. Also, I have used one and found the decrease in length due to the inner undesirable (it compresses my footbox). Buying only the fly is also cheaper.
  • Tarptent Notch, Protrail, Dipole: All great tents, but like the Normal Xmid they are heavier than I prefer. They are also all more fussy than the Xmid in one way or another.
  • SMD Deschutes Plus: Light and silpoly. I tried this but it was way too small, so I returned it.
  • Xmid Pro: Truly seems like a great tent, and I would prefer to use this if the cost felt worth it to me. The other cons of DCF wouldn't bother me too much.
  • Gossamer Gear Whisper: Lightest option. I don't actually have a strong preference for a floorless design, so if I wanted to pay for DCF it would be the Xmid Pro.
  • Flat/Shaped tarp: I love “communing with nature” so I cowboy camp extremely often. When I want a shelter, I want easy, effective protection from rain/wind/mosquitoes.

What I actually want is a silpoly Xmid Pro. I like single wall shelters for my 1p, and I like integrated floors. Basically this would be like a perfected GG The One. But this isn't available and I don't want to make one.

How to:

The first step is to acquire an Xmid fly. Sometimes they are available from Durston Gear on the “Spare tent parts” page, otherwise you could just modify the fly from an Xmid you already own.

This is one of the easiest sewing projects one can do. It is way easier than the popular make-your-own synthetic quilt, and is very low consequence because it can be removed and the functionality of the Xmid should be uncompromised. Super fine mesh like this can be a little hard to sew, and you have to use a delicate machine. Any portable/domestic/home machine should be fine.

I ordered the lightest possible possible noseeum mesh (.5osy) from Ripstop by the Roll because I wasn't very concerned about durability issues. I cut the mesh into 8" strips and then sewed each strip together end-to-end so I had at least 340" of 8" wide mesh. Then I sewed that to the base of the tent, starting from one door and leaving a extra mesh around the doors. If I did this again I would make my mesh wider than 8", maybe 12-16" would be ideal. It is nice to have plenty so it can hug the ground and you can put weight on top of it.

Review:

The Xmid has enough reputation that I won't rehash it all, but for the unique use without an inner I find it amazing. I like the 1p geometry better than the 2p because the walls are steeper, which is awesome for liveability but less good for wind (just pitch it with the ridgeline in the wind direction). Inside it's really awesome how much space there is. One can choose a slender human-sized groundsheet to save weight or use a big groundsheet to have more clean space. I cook group meals while guiding and I can comfortable do that inside the shelter if needed. At 6’2” I often sleep on a large Xtherm and have a lofty 20°F bag, in which I'm not even close to touching the ends, even with an overquilt.

I have used this with another person and it is remarkably comfortable. The poles can be angled towards the middle and there is adequate length and width. It would be a phenomenal 2p fastpacking shelter for short trips or any trip where you can dry out during the day, because with 2 people you will probably touch the walls a little.

The mesh that I added weighs about 1oz. I also replaced all four corner guy lines with 24” cords so that I can more easily use natural anchors (highly recommended for rocky landscapes). In total my shelter weighs 21oz and packs to the size of a grapefruit.

“But how is a tent without a floor good enough?” - there are many opinions out there on this. My favorite is from renowned Alaskan adventure Roman Dial, who basically said on a podcast that sleeping in a tent with a floor is for noobs. I'm not that extreme, I'm more comfortable with integrated floors, but floorless tents are fine.

The first thing I'll assert is that floorless tents are fine in rain. If you are camped in a spot where water will pool, a bathtub floor won't magically make things pleasant. Tarp campers know this - just think of a floorless mid as a more protective tarp.

My edition is 98% effective against flying insects and a version with a longer mesh skirt would be even better. It's not totally effective against creepy crawlies. In mountain environments this is fine. I once found a slug inside and once had a mouse come in and get stuck for 30 seconds. 

In desert environments with venomous snakes and scorpions - if you're not comfortable cowboy camping, this probably isn't the shelter for you. I usually use a 6oz bivy as my only shelter in these conditions, because it usually doesn't rain. You could use a bivy inside this Xmid PM but then the weight is approaching a normal Xmid.For my solo shelter in 2024 I used an X-mid 1 fly that I modified by sewing on perimeter mesh. I still enjoy using it so I wanted to share why I chose this option, how I did it, and a brief “review”.

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/sketchy_ppl on 2025-01-29 14:48:00+00:00.


A few years ago I made a Sleeping Pad Comparison Table. It got a lot of attention when I shared it with this community, and the page on my website has continued getting lots of traffic since then, so I’ve continued to update the table each year.

Here's the page: Sleeping Pad Comparisons and Buying Guide

I thought I would share it again with this community! Any feedback, thoughts, or if you notice any errors, feel free to let me know 🙏

2025 Updates:

  • All data was collected at the end of January, 2025
  • When updating the data, certain models were no longer listed on the company websites. These models are identified in the table with an asterisk (*) in front of the model name, instead of removing them completely, since they may still be available to purchase elsewhere
  • AMOK and ALPS Mountaineering are new additions to the table. For ALPS, I got confirmation via email that they use the ASTM standard to test their pads. Certain models don’t have a rating, so those values are left blank.
  • Big Agnes and Therm-A-Rest: There were lots of items no longer listed on these two websites, compared to 2024. They are all still in the table, marked with an asterisk, but I thought it was worth pointing out since it was a higher-than-normal amount.
  • EXPED: There are tons of discrepancies for both prices and product specs between the official corporate website and the USA website. I decided to use the data and models from the USA website, since you can actually make purchases from that site.
  • Klymit: Friendly reminder that their R-Value ratings juggle between using ASTM vs. non-ASTM. I’d recommend doing further research if you’re considering a Klymit pad.
  • Decathlon: I found their website to be sketchy and with some incomplete and non-standardized product specs; I was hesitant, but I did include them in the table.
  • NEMO, REI, Sea To Summit…. no comments… thanks for making my life easy.
  • Kelty: I reached out multiple times via email to see if they use ASTM; never got a response
  • MEC: I reached out multiple times via email to see if they use ASTM; never got a response. This is my third year of unsuccessfully confirming with MEC (I’ve tried phone calls and emails over the past three years). Plus, the product specs were riddled with errors and inconsistencies when I checked in 2024.

*I have no affiliation with any brands in the table. I intentionally choose not to use affiliate links.

*If you have a brand that you want to recommend get added, please first confirm that it uses the ASTM standard.

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/OkExternal on 2025-01-28 17:21:27+00:00.


i am aware of rain mitts by enlightened equipment and mountain laurel designs that are highly rated... but come with your own seam sealer to apply yourself (i am also aware of some from z-packs thats come pre-sealed).

is this because some folks like to have more breathable mitts that aren't as waterproof, but still protect and help with warmth? or...? i have been baffled by this for years but only now got around to asking

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/nunatak16 on 2025-01-27 22:01:47+00:00.


I made a 70 liter pack entirely out of TechnoForce Steel, a woven 100% UHMWPE fabric with a polycarbonate coating for stability

A bigger brand I know of using TS is Yamatomichi, and then only for side and front pockets

TS is made by Teijin who also markets Octa (Alpha Direct type fleece) and is available in small quantities from their direct to consumer site thinkecofabrics.com

The nearest competitor would be 100d UltraX, which is mixed with regular polyester yarns for a lower total UHMWPE content; and is a laminate using a fabric/PET film combo with an X grid stuck between the layers. To reiterate TechnoForce Steel is a conventional coated fabric

TS is 8-10% lighter than 100d UltraX on my scale, making it possibly the lightest material one can use for packs (have not been able to verify the weight of Aluula Graflyte)

TS handles well, sews easily and generally feels pleasing to work with. It doesn’t cut with scissors; I use a small electric rotary cutter. Identifying right and wrong sides once cut is hard. The PC coating is nearly invisible, especially on the white color

Being a UHMWPE fabric seam integrity and stitch elongation is a concern. Using allowances of 0.5” or more is advisable

Another problem with UHMWPE fabrics in general is coating and laminate adhesion in the middle to long term. UltraX is prone to film delamination. On the TS the polycarbonate coating can be compromised as easily as the PET film on UltraX, but the failure progresses in a less systemic fashion. Sort of like a peeling paint (TS) vs wallpaper falling off (Ultra)

I’m finding the coating on TechnoForce Steel breaks down primarily due to abrasion from the environment as opposed the repeated stress cycles that does UltraX in

UltraX looses its weather resistance once the PET film becomes milky and starts to display micro fissures. TechnoForce Steel with a column rating of only 750mm is barely water resistant from the get go. Snow settling on the top of my pack during a storm readily wetted thru

My 70 liter fully featured experiment ended up weighing only 34 ounces with 6mm carbon rod frames. It is built with a burly carrying system I’ve developed over time and used comfortable up to 45 lbs so far

Over the winter solstice I used the Technoforce pack on a 100+ mile loop in the Gila, carrying mostly bulky down equipment for the freezing nights, and lots of calories. I could detect seam elongation at stress points and coating breakdown already after a few days, but it pretty much stabilized after that. The fabric softened up a lot, resembling fine linen sheets as one friend commented.

Will I build other products with TS? Probably not, or if I do I might follow Yamatomichi’s  idea of using it for pockets only

The pack with the by-pass load lifters applied, allowing 80% of the weight on the hips

I also made a food sack out of TS which uses the bottom pattern from the pack so it fits perfectly where I like the majority of the mass to be: low

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/HalfwayAnywhere on 2025-01-27 15:43:24+00:00.


Every year, I break down the gear used by Pacific Crest Trail hikers. After weeks of toiling, the Class of 2024 breakdown is ready.

The breakdown includes backpacks, shelters, sleeping bags/quilts, sleeping pads, insulated jackets, shells, fleeces, shoes, socks, water treatment, stoves, trekking poles, bear canisters, PLBs, ice axes, traction systems, and fitness trackers. It also looks at base weights, luxury items, and battery packs, and more.

I changed the layout and added sections this year; I'm happy with the results and feel it flows better versus previous years. As always, I would love to hear any feedback.

Hope you enjoy it!

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/weilbith on 2025-01-26 14:00:57+00:00.


Hello fellow adventurers,

I’m planning to switch from tent to tarp camping. My primary intentions are to feel more immersed to nature, weight savings, simplicity, adaptability and modularity (did I miss anything?). But I wanna do some good research first and learn from the valuable experience of others. Before I’ll learn it the hard way myself.

The most recommendations for tarp setups seem to incorporate a bivouac sack. I already imagine it as very cozy, snugging into my bivy with my sleeping pad and quilt, maybe under a clear sky... But I’m actually no more sure if I really understand the indispensability of a bivy for tarp camping. Is it actually necessary? What needs does it fulfil, other items can’t? Are there lighter setups for the same functionality?

To my current understanding, a bivouac provides the following benefits for your shelter and sleep system: It acts like a ground sheet, protecting you from the wet ground. But also from rain splashes. If you use an inflatable sleeping pad, it should also protect it from punctuations. Furthermore, most ultralight bivouacs have some bug protection by a net top or window. Finally, a bivouac keeps your sleep system more tightly together, reducing cold drafts, and thereby slightly improves the warmth of your sleep system.

I’m trying to be hyper critical. For the ground sheet part, just a ground sheet is usually lighter, cheaper, simpler and more versatile. Against rain splashes, a low set tarp should help. Potentially increase the width of the tarp slightly to improve the cover. Should be still lighter in total. Moreover, bug protection during sleep should be only necessary for the head, assuming the quilt is tuck around the neck. The daily head bug net could do the job, maybe complemented with a hat brim to keep it away from your face. For comfort, a bug canopy should be still lighter and cheaper. And the final part, a false bottom (hybrid) quilt probably prevents drafts much better, while allowing for a lighter quilt design in general.

A bivy seams like a more simple version of an inner tent that does a lot for your shelter and sleep system. But at the same time, if you go minimalistic and modular anyway, is it actually the best (lightest, cheapest, most versatile) option to use with a tarp? Is a ground sheet, a proper sized tarp, a false bottom quilt and one or the other bug net a worthy alternative? Please let me know your thoughts and experience with one or the other setup and what you learned about it. I highly appreciate your input!

Thanks!

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/frodulenti on 2025-01-26 01:19:43+00:00.


Been on the hunt for a sleeping pad and ran into a video about Sleeping Pads and R Values by MyLifeOutdoors.

I was pretty convinced about getting a foam / air pad (primarily for the sake of comfortable sleep) but watching this I'm considering closed-cell pads too.

I'm curious about people who have tried both and what skewed you to your current choice?

  • Do you think you sleep warmer on a closed-cell pad than a closed-cell pad of the same R value?

  • If you swapped to a closed-cell pad, were you comfortable sleeping on it from the get-go or did it take some getting used to?

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/MarthaFarcuss on 2025-01-24 15:48:53+00:00.


I'm in the market for another tent and have been browsing eBay.

You see a lot of popular tents listed, and I’m often tempted to ask the seller why they’re selling.

I feel understanding why someone is parting with a tent can sometimes be more insightful than knowing why they bought it in the first place.

So, what tent didn’t work for you, and why?

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/numbershikes on 2025-01-21 21:06:09+00:00.


Every year Mac at HalfwayAnywhere.com completes surveys of hikers on various US long trails, including the PCT. Many users here are probably familiar with his work. Once the season and surveys close, he posts a series of articles that analyze and explain the data.

The first article in the PCT series looks at all of the results, and over the following weeks several additional articles explore particular topics in greater depth.

Here's the first article for the 2024 PCT Survey:

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/BhamsterBpack on 2025-01-20 17:02:07+00:00.


I'm intrigued by the weight savings and packability of the Leve Ultralight Jacket (3.8oz in XL) vs. membrane jackets like the Versalite or a shakedry jacket that are in the 7-8oz range. But I have no experience with a non-breathable rain jacket, particularly one that's made from such light fabric (15D).

I'd love to hear people's thoughts on whether this Leve or something similar would work well on a trip such as a thru-hike of the Colorado Trail. It doesn't need to survive extensive bushwhacking. But I would like it to be intact after a month on the trail, and to keep the rain off my body during cold mountain rainstorms that could last for hours.

I know I'll get wet from sweat, even with the pit zips. But I've never found "breathable" waterproof jackets to be all that breathable.

So what do you think? Is something like the Leve too delicate for a long trip? Will it be an unbearable sweatfest? Will the rain find its way in? Or is this an ideal balance between weight and performance for this use case? I'm not interested in non-jacket alternatives like a poncho.

Yes, I realize I'm nitpicking over 3-4 ounces. But this is [r/Ultralight]() after all.

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/GX_Adventures on 2025-01-19 03:46:24+00:00.


This isn't a full gear review but rather a gear 'heads up' with information that might be useful to someone else. I'm unlikely to ever put enough nights on this pad to give it a thorough review, but maybe it piques someone's interest.

I searched the sub, and was surprised I didn't find anything about Daiso, a Japanese 'dollar' store that has a few locations in the US. I recently picked up this ccf sleeping pad (they also have some rain pants and jacket, and lots of little containers that could be handy).

Size: 22.2"W x 72.4" L x ~.65"D Cost: $6.75 (iirc) Weight: 6.05oz R-value: 0.?

This is a cheap pad and it feels cheap, but I thought it might be good enough to occasionally use under an inflatable pad either when I need a bit of extra insulation or in the desert for some puncture protection. It might be useful for someone who wants a little more cushion than a 1/8" thinlite but not the weight of a standard folding ccf pad, or if you just want as cheap as possible.

Here are pics comparing it to a Nemo Switchback (14.43oz).

As you can see, it folds up to the same cross-section as the Nemo, but it's a couple of inches wider and almost half an inch longer when laid out. On a hard floor, it is actually a bit more comfortable than the Nemo because it isn't as firm, but I expect that would be reversed on rocks/roots or as the pad is used and flattens out. The extra two inches of width is pretty nice.

In summary, it's cheap, light, and cheap.

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/PurpleCaterpillar82 on 2025-01-17 03:09:17+00:00.


I think this a good direction for the company. I wonder if its a similar material as Nemo's Oslo fabric... a nylon/poly ripstop blend. Because the fabric is stronger, I wonder if it will be lighter/thinner and just as strong. I don't have the details but excited for the new line.

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/ZigFromBushkill on 2025-01-17 17:27:20+00:00.


I saw something saying that because the base of the fuel is steal, if there's any moisture in the bottom of the pot when you nest it, it can leave rust in your pot. I just picked up a toakes pot for the first time and I'm wondering if this is something anyone has noticed and if I should take measures to prevent it from happening. Thanks!

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/KindOfUL on 2025-01-17 01:30:20+00:00.


What's up everyone, I went to the Grand Canyon for the first time over New Year's and wanted to do a trip writeup while everything is fresh.

Where: Grand Canyon NP, the Tonto Trail from Grandview Point to Hermit's Rest via the Hermit Trail

When: December 28th 2024 - January 2nd 2025

Distance: 47 miles from Gaia, 53 from my Garmin, 19k total ascent / descent according to Gaia

Lighterpack: Lighterpack

Photo album: Full Flickr album here

Water and weather: Water was available at all camp sites. It was sunny blue skies almost every day, with highs of 60s-70s and lows probably in the 30s. It was light by 7 AM and dark by 6 PM.

Gear thoughts: Since this was my first winter hike, and my first desert hike, I took a lot of new gear with me. I loved my Katabatic quilt and puffy jacket, I would highly recommend both. Their system for securing the quilt to the pad worked really well. I also get the alpha direct hype now. I got a Leve 120GSM beanie, Beyond the Trailhead 90GSM hoodie, and Farpointe 120GSM socks. I've been using the beanie and hoodie for running too. I should've bought the smaller gas can, I knew it would boil enough for me. I also could've left my microspikes behind since it was dry, but I was afraid of snow rolling in for my hike out of the canyon. I updated the firmware on my XT5 before leaving, and it made the camera take two minutes to turn on every time, which was super annoying. So double check stuff after updating firmware. The CNOC was great, I don't know why I used the stock Sawyer bags for so long.

Day 0: Flight to Vegas, drive to GCNP. My travel day ended up being pretty unpleasant. I had to get to the airport at 4 AM for my departing flight, which threw the vibe off for the rest of the day. I landed in Las Vegas at 10 AM and realized that my checked bag, with all of my gear, did not make the trip. It was loaded on a subsequent non direct flight and I was told that it would arrive at 4:30 PM. I went to go pick up my rental car and was surprised to find that Hertz was all out of rental cars, as was every other company at the LAS rental pickup hub. Since Hertz couldn't guarantee I'd get my car anytime that day, I pivoted and rented a Turo. The pickup for that was painless and that will probably be my go-to going forwards. I finally got my bag at 4:30 and left for the park, and I arrived at my hotel there around 11 PM, much later than I'd hoped to arrive.

Day 1: Grandview Point to Grapevine, 10 miles. I got up and went to the backcountry office to get any last minute updates on water sources and trail conditions, then packed my bag and drove to Grandview Point. I'd originally planned to park and Hermit's Rest and taxi to the start, but I was flustered from the day before and felt rushed, so I drove myself to the start and figured I'd deal with it at the end. I also panicked and bought the 8 oz fuel canister, which was way too much. The trailhead was relatively nondescript at Grandview, but I finally started my hike around 10 AM. The trail immediately started descending to Horseshoe Mesa, and the day hikers thinned out pretty quickly. As I made my way down, I couldn't help but think of the opening scene from Aguirre, as if I was starting something too ambitious for my largest solo trip to date. The trail briefly leveled out at Horseshoe Mesa, then descended further to the Tonto platform. There was plenty of water at Cottonwood Creek, and the campsite there looked decent. The approach into Grapevine canyon was the most exposed section of the trail throughout the entire hike - the trail was pretty skinny, loose gravel, and not too far from the edge of the Tonto platform. I finally made it into camp around 4:30-5:00 PM with a little light to spare. There was a couple and a large group at the tent pads right off the trail, so I made my way up the wash and found an okay spot in some bushes. The water was further up the wash to the left, and there was a nicer tent spot up there. The flow was strong enough to easily fill up my container. For whatever reason, my Garmin did not save my hike from the first day, so I don't have any stats for it. My stomach was upside-down from the stressful travel day, so I didn't eat nearly as much as I should have. The sun set around 5:30 PM and it was dark by 6:00 PM.

Day 2: Grapevine to Lonetree Canyon, 9.7 mi, 1k ft ascent / descent. It started getting light around 6:45 AM and was light enough to put the headlamp away about a quarter after 7:00 AM. My stomach was still really bothering me so I ate a small breakfast, filtered water, and packed up camp. I wasn't feeling great from the lack of food and had to force myself to eat lunch around noon. My camera was continuing to act up too, so I wasn't in a great mood this day. I was starting to consider cutting the hike early if I didn't start feeling better. I'd heard that the water source at Lonetree was a 20 minute walk down the wash, and that was true. I hiked a bit over a half mile down the wash before finding a trickle of water into a pool at the base of a rock, and it was right next to the big tree. A little further down the wash was a nice flat gravel spot, so I pitched my tent there. I was the only person at Lonetree Canyon, so I had the whole area to myself. I made myself eat all of the dinner that night and hoped I'd feel better the next day.

Day 3: Lonetree to Havasupai Gardens, 10.5 mi, 1800/1600 ft. I woke up without any stomach issues and felt like I was finally ready to really enjoy myself. The trail was quiet until it intersected South Kaibab, then I passed a few groups and started seeing more folks. There was water at both Burrow and Pipe Springs, but I didn't need to fill up at either. It felt like I was entering a city as I arrived at Havasupai Gardens, and I enjoyed the nice toilets there. All of the tent sites are pretty close together, but I had a nice conversation with the guy adjacent to me and enjoyed chatting with people. I think I fell asleep easier here since there was some ambient noise.

Day 4: Havasupai Gardens to Cedar Springs, 9.5 mi, 1100/1600 ft. The construction from camp to the Plateau Point trail was substantial but easy to navigate. The trail seemed to have mellowed out considerably after the Tipoff, so I was enjoying the easier miles. My legs felt good and this was an enjoyable section of trail. Water was flowing at Horn Creek and Salt Creek, but I opted not to fill up at either. Cedar Springs was a nice site and had a very nice tent pad with a good view. I had to walk down the wash to get water, but no longer than a 5-10 minute walk. I also had camp to myself this night.

Day 5: Cedar Springs to Hermit Creek, 5.5 mi, 800/1300 ft. Knowing that I only had 5 miles to hike, I felt more relaxed. I took my time filtering water in the morning and tearing down camp. The night at Cedar Springs was definitely the coldest night of the trip, it was the only night that I wore all of my layers. A mouse also decided to chew a small hole at the top of my bag which was annoying, since it was empty and my food was stored elsewhere. Monument creek was very pretty and the creek there was flowing strong. It was scenic going in and out of the valley with the view of the monument. Hermit creek also was at a strong flow, and the campsites were nice. I got a nice one under a large rock outcropping. Monument and Hermit both had nice toilets.

Day 6: Hermit Creek to Hermit's Rest via the Hermit Trail, 7.7 mi, 4300/800 ft. I had originally planned to go Hermit Creek to Yuma Point, spend the night there, and then hike out via the Boucher trail, but I decided not to do that during the hike. I was told that Yuma was dry, and I didn't think 6L of water would be enough to get me comfortably from Hermit Creek to Dripping Springs. The hike out was nice and had very nice views. It seemed to level out for a while in the middle which was a nice break, but overall it wasn't bad. After reaching the trailhead, I Garmin messaged my parents to call the Xanterra taxi (I did not have cell service at the TH), and they took a half hour before picking me up to take me to my car. The travel back home was thankfully uneventful.

Final thoughts: The trail was very nice but I definitely prefer hiking with someone instead of solo. Since I went over New Years, the days were very short and I felt rushed to pack up camp quickly and hit the trail. That combined with the uncertainty with water, I felt a bit more stressed than I usually am on a trip. Although it was very scenic, the Tonto trail did feel somewhat monotonous after a while. It was also eerily quiet during the days and nights. The wind wasn't blowing much and if you held your breath, there was almost no sound at all, which I found interesting. 4L of water was heavy and I much prefer only carrying 2. The trail was easy to follow the entire time, and only felt exposed going into Grapevine. The trail was more rugged east of the intersection with South Kaibab, there was a lot of uneven rocks and surfaces and less flat dirt.

All in all it was a great trip, but my next one won't be solo.

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The original was posted on /r/Ultralight by /u/Objective-Resort2325 on 2025-01-17 14:44:55+00:00.


I swear this is not an MYOG post - this is specific to this community. I want everyone to know the potential of MYOG to cut your base weights.

On a recent trip I found the limiting factor for my quilt not to be the insulation, but cold drafts coming in under the edges. I really wished it had false bottom flaps like my other quilt (a Timmermade). I got in a yard of 0.56 ounce per square yard Membrane 7d ripstop nylon from Ripstop by the Roll to MYOG the tweak. I added a pair of 8" wide by 48" long flaps - one on either side - to cover from the neckline down to where the foot box snaps start. The material is a match (color and weight) for what is used in the quilt lining. Total weight added to the quilt for this mod: 10 grams!

With left over material, I've crafted a couple simple bags using micro cordlocks and 1.18mm cord. I made a small ditty bag (3 grams!), a 14"x14" food sack (8 grams!), a custom bag for my Calderea Keg cook kit (3 grams!), and a 9"x13" sack to stuff clothes into as a pillow (6 grams!). This appears to be the same material that Enlightened Equipment uses for their Copperfield wind shirt and pants. This stuff is incredible! For those looking to shed some weight, pick up some of this stuff. It's only $13.50 per yard. If you don't have a sewing machine, I bet you know someone who does. I ended up replacing ziploc bags because this stuff is lighter. It's not waterproof, but not everything needs to be!

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Recently found out we have some pretty high-quality 3D printers at work. Have a couple long distance hikes coming up this year and was looking for some ideas of some small / big stuff that you've 3D printed and enjoyed on the trails?

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Hey guys!

My husband and I are hiking the TMB this June and are looking for some rain pants.

I hiked the AT last summer and didn’t use them (had a pair of the body wrappers dance pants) but I think they will be important for June in the alps.

Our remaining gear budget is pretty limited so looking for something under $100 preferably less.

I have considered the decathlon quencha but haven’t found many reviews on here.

Please don’t say frogg toggs… I prefer my crotch stay intact

Here is my lighter pack if you all see anything else I should add:

Let me know what you all think!

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Trip Report: SUL Gear Test in Golden, CO

lighter pack here (Two differences on lighter pack the rain jacket I used was different and only brought one 500 ML flask no filter)

On Friday evening, after wrapping up classes, my buddy and I set off on a quick overnight gear test with my super ultralight (SUL) kit. With no cars between us, we started with a 2-mile approach from campus, leaving around 7:30 PM. After the approach the total trek was short—just about 4 miles—but it gave me the perfect opportunity to put my setup to the test.

Gear Tested

  1. Water Flasks & Running Pack: I used the Salomon XT 10 running pack with two side pockets for 500 ml flasks. While I only carried 0.5 liters of water this time, the pack has the capacity to hold a full liter, which could be useful on longer trips.
  2. Enlightened Equipment Revelation Quilt: This was my first time testing my EE Rev quilt in a near-freezing environment.
  3. Compact Loadout: I went without a shelter since Golden’s dry conditions made it unnecessary for this trip. My base kit felt minimal yet functional, which is exactly the goal with an SUL setup.

Night & Conditions

The temperature dipped to about 30°F by morning. For warmth, I wore my pants, a Senchi Designs fleece crewneck, and my rain jacket under the quilt. This combination kept me perfectly warm, and the quilt’s performance was solid.

We packed light on snacks and didn’t bother with a water filter since the trip was so short. The half-liter of water I carried was sufficient, but it’s reassuring to know the pack could handle more if needed.

Reflections

There’s something liberating about carrying such a compact setup. Not only does it make the hike feel easier, but it also forces you to reevaluate what you really need, pushing your creativity and encouraging intentional weight-saving decisions.

The running pack’s fit was great, and I was thrilled that the whole system worked seamlessly. Despite being a niche approach to backpacking, this SUL loadout feels like a step in the right direction for fast, lightweight trips.

The trip itself was a blast—simple, efficient, and fun. It’s always rewarding to test your gear and find it not only functional but enjoyable to use.

Takeaways

  • My SUL kit is dialed in for short, dry trips where shelter isn’t critical.
  • The EE quilt handled sub-freezing temps well when paired with smart clothing choices.
  • The running vest is an ideal, compact option for SUL trips but requires careful planning due to its size.

Looking forward to more experiments and tweaking the kit further1

Also side note I plan on learning how to sew so I can make a tarp that would work with this set up and provide more flexibility.

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  • Article:
  • NPS project page:
  • Official site:

The public comment period extends through Feb. 19. Comments can be submitted on the following page, which is linked from the NPS project page:

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With all the fires, snow, storms, and floods, we’ve been having I thought I’d throw this reminder up.

You are already a prepper. I always make a habit of keeping my backpack packed with everything I take camping except for my down stuff. And usually keep three days of food. If anything happens and I need to get out quick, I can just throw my sleeping bag in my pack and get out.

Also, if if you own an SOS device, keep it in your car when you’re driving around. You never know when you might go off the road and nobody can tell you did or maybe you get. trapped by a wildfire.

Stay safe friends and I wish you all happy trails for 2025.

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I see that Backpacker has published a review of the NEMO Tensor Elite sleeping pad, new for 2025.

  • R-Value: 2.4
  • Weight: 8.3oz or 235g for regular size (unknown on small size)
  • Lengths: 72in or 183cm for regular size; 63in or 160cm for small size
  • Width: only 20in or 51cm on both sizes (boo)
  • Thickness: 3in or 7.6cm
  • Fabric: 10-denier Cordura nylon
  • Bluesign-approved materials

Looks to pack up very small.

And NEMO just put up an overview video of it on their YouTube channel yesterday:

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I got asked a question recently with respect to an item on my Lighterpack list - my rain tunic. Where did I get it, how did I like it, how it has worked out for me, what would I change, etc. I've written that up and published it on GenXBackpacker.com if anyone is interested.

Bottom line - it works well, but if I were to do it again I'd make a couple of changes to the materials. Current weight is 131 grams. The weight with the changes would be 109 grams. And if I did it out of 0.51 OSY DCF, I estimate the weight would be 63.9 grams (2.28 ounces)

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I had the opportunity to A-B-C test three of the more affordable cold-weather sleeping pads on the market and had some interesting results. All three pads use reflective insulation suspended inside of the pads. Here are the specs:

Naturehike 8.8 (long/wide rectangular)

  • r-value 8.8
  • $115 USD
  • 657g /23oz (pad only on my scale)

Light Tour 7.5 (reg/wide mummy)

  • r-value 7.5
  • $95
  • 560g /20oz

Hikenture 6.2 (reg/wide mummy)

  • r-value 6.2
  • $80
  • 620g / 22oz

I was on frozen dirt ground with a thin layer of snow on top. Temperatures stayed at -12C / 10.4F for the duration of the testing and overnight. I used a Thermarest Polar Ranger sleeping bag and was wearing thin polyester base layers, Alpha 90 leggings, crewneck, and socks. For the majority of the testing, I was laying on my back but shifted to my side occasionally during the overnight testing. I started by laying on each pad for 30min and an hour. Overnight, I started on the Naturehike for 2 hours and then switched to the Light Tour for most of the night. I spent the an extra hour in the morning on the Naturehike.

None of the pads were as warm as I would expect for their r-values. The Light Tour kept me comfortable but not warm while both the Hikenture and Naturehike slept cold. The Naturehike was the least warm overall. The Naturehike was very comfortable though.

While reliability is still a question mark for these pads, I think they are interesting pads if you completely ignore the advertised r-value. For the weights and prices, they could still be compelling options.

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TLDR

The SDTCT is a pretty banging winter thru hike! It can be done in a week and is super accessible. It’s technically a route, but the navigation challenges are minimal, so give it a shot!

About the Trail

The San Diego Trans County Trail (aka the “Sea to Sea trail”) is a roughly 150-mile route spanning from the Salton Sea in the east to the Pacific Ocean in the west. It crosses 10 (!) microbiomes and has a surprising amount of diversity for such a short trail. It also does a great job “staying in nature”, despite running through some dense urban areas, particularly around the coast.

Buck30 has a fantastic trip report and, if you read nothing else, skip this and go read that. Note that Brian hiked during what seems like a very wet year. I don’t know if that year was an outlier, or my hike was an outlier, but your trail miles may vary significantly based on the weather conditions! I had highs in the 70s, lows in the 30s, and not a single drop of rain throughout the whole week.

About Me

37-year old male, creeping up on 10k miles, and looking to get away from the DC snow and winter over Christmas and New Year's.

EABO or WEBO?

The trail doesn’t see a ton of hikers, so not sure there’s a “standard”, but ending at the Pacific Coast is both much more dramatic and logistically way easier. Go west, young man!

Getting to/from the Trailhead

This worked well for me, so I’d encourage others to do the same:

  • Fly into San Diego Airport and rent a car with drop off at Palm Springs
  • Drop water caches at Arroyo Salado Campground (mm 19) and Plum Canyon Trailhead (mm 56).
  • Drop a food cache (optional) at Lake Cuyamaca (mm ~80)
  • Drop the car off at Palm Springs and Uber to the Eastern Terminus
  • From the Western Terminus, hop on the 101 bus which will take you to Downtown San Diego in about 30 minutes

Food

I carried 3 days of food from the Eastern Terminus and dropped 3 days of food at Lake Cuyamaca. Due to some...”miscommunication” (more on this later), I was unable to pick up my food at Lake Cuyamaca. However, due to a Hanukkah miracle, my 3 days of food lasted the whole trip! (This was largely a combination of over-packing, expecting -- but not getting -- hiker hunger, and the frequent restaurants I ate at on, or nearby, the trail).

If you wanted to carry as little as possible, you could feasibly resupply in these locations:

  • Borrego Springs (mm 35 - full service grocery store + restaurant)
  • Lake Cuyamaca (mm 80 - restaurant with very limited resupply)
  • Ramona (mm 100 - hotels + restaurants + grocery stores, a few miles off trail)
  • Barona (mm 117 - hotel/casino a few miles off trail)
  • From mm ~120 or so to the Western Terminus, you are never more than a few miles away from an Uber, a gas station, a restaurant, or a hotel.

Water

I carried 4L of water, which was plenty for me. The longest carries were:

  • Eastern Terminus to first cache at Arroyo Salado Campground (~19 miles)
  • Plum Canyon Cache to Lake Cuyamaca (~23 miles)

I probably could have gotten away with 3L (daytime temps never went above ~75F or so.)

I only saw 2 sources of running water:

  • Stuart Spring (mm 50), which was dribbling at a rate of ~0.2L/min
  • Coming down El Cajon (mm ~112) there was some clean, flowing water.

Buck30 mentioned Pena Spring as a perennial source, but I did not check if it was flowing. It did have a very permanent looking sign though! Cedar Creek did appear to have some stagnant water, but not sure how collectible it was. The San Diego River (mm 98) was bone dry.

Mileage

| Day | End Mileage | Daily Mileage | Location | |


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| | 1 | 24 | 24 | Around "Fonts Wash" | | 2 | 45 | 21 | After Montezuma Valley Road Crossing | | 3 | 79 | 34 | Stonewall Mine “Museum”, Lake Cuyamaca | | 4 | 100 | 21 | Riviera Oaks Resort & Racquet Club | | 5 | 122 | 22 | Ramada Inn, Poway | | 6 | 137 | 15 | Ramada Inn, Poway | | 7 | 154 | 17 | Finish! |

Other Hikers

I saw a grand total of zero other thru hikers. I’d be curious to know how many people actually hike this trail, but I’m guessing it’s less than 10/year. I saw about ~50 day hikers going to the (dry) Cedar Creek Falls, and another ~200 or so day-trippers enjoying Peñasquitos Canyon Preserve right near the coast (this was a Saturday, so lots of families on short walks, as well as mountain bikers).

Yays and Nays

  • Yay to Buck30 for his excellent trip report, and excellent planning advice. In particular, he highlighted a “mysterious connector road” which (despite me interpreting his notes incorrectly) saved me an hour or two of dense brush, heartache, bloody legs, and almost certainly lots of tears. Thank you Brian!
  • Yay to u/redbob333, who turned me on to this trail when I posted about finding a trail a month ago. I had never heard of this trail prior, so thank you redbob - without your post, I’d probably be stuck on the Florida trail or somewhere equally heinous!
  • Yay to u/blue_indian, who sold me the amazing Atelier Longue Distance pack I used (more on this later!)
  • Yay to Cam Honan, who, ever since I read his Ouachita Trip Report, has inspired me to sleep in a privy on trail. Despite my best efforts, I didn’t make it this time, but 2025 is looking good!
  • Yay to whoever planned/designed/built the SDTCT. For traversing some densely populated areas, the trail does an amazing job staying “in nature”. With the exception of walking through a couple neighborhood backyards, I kept expecting to be walking down urban streets, but never had to!
  • Yay to Kelly from Hawaii, who offered to take my excess water cache and even gave me a handful of Macadamia nuts. Hope you made it to Mexico in time for New Years!
  • Yay to PMags. This might sound funny or a bit silly, but as a fellow short guy (5’6”), I sometimes daydream about how much awesomer of a thru hiker I would be if I had the height and legs of someone like Skurka. If only I stood 6’2”, surely I’d be able to do even more incredible things. Then I read Paul’s comments, advice, and excellent blog & trip reports, and realize that I’m only limited by my grit and imagination, not my child-sized inseam. So thanks for being inspirational, Paul!
  • Meh to the San Diego Trans-County Trail Facebook group. It’s a private group, and I tried joining, but my “membership” is still pending, a month later. I can’t blame the admin -- who still uses Facebook? -- but maybe consider adding another admin?
  • Meh to the worker at the Pub at Lake Cuyamaca who took my resupply, took my $20 tip, and failed to mention that the restaurant would be closed on New Years Day, and didn’t bother to pass the food to the Bait Shop literally 20 feet down the road that was open on New Years Day.
  • A big fat stinky nay to Dollar Rental car, who wasted my time on two separate days, telling me my reserved car did not, in fact, exist. (Obligatory Seinfeld reference) I don’t mind you running out of cars over the holidays, but don’t make me come all the way in to tell me you can’t fulfill my reservation!

Gear

I used this hike as a “new gear” shakedown for all the stuff I’ve wanted to try out:

Atelier Longue Distance 30 L custom pack

I’ll be the first to admit I really didn’t want to like this pack. I have 2 Nashville Cutaways that I love -- and Grant’s customer service is absolutely top notch -- but I think unfortunately I like this pack even more!

Things it does well:

  • The shoulder straps are fixed and non-adjustable. Somehow, despite the original purchaser and me being 6 inches difference in height (and 1.5 inches difference in torso length), the pack fits me like a glove.
  • The shoulder straps are also sewn to the pack, which makes it feel much sturdier when I’m putting it on and taking it off.
  • The mesh shoulder pockets seem just a bit wider than my Cutaways, which make putting a 1L Smartwater bottle much easier.
  • Despite being French-made, the pack is sexy as hell.

Downsides:

  • Either I’ve lost shoulder mobility, or getting water bottles out of the side pockets is not super practical for me.
  • The front pocket has way less capacity than the Cutaway. (I believe the Cutaway uses “bullet mesh”, which has a lot more stretch.

Layout:

I organized the pack as follows:

  • Front large shoulder pockets: Two 1L water bottles
  • Bottom Left shoulder strap pocket: Squeeze tube of PB, headlamp, sunscreen
  • Bottom Right shoulder pocket: rain gloves, cold weather gloves, water scoop, compass, hand towel
  • Left side pocket: Two 1L water bottles
  • Right side pocket: Aeon Li tent
  • Front Pocket: Rain Kilt, Rain Jacket, Poop Kit
  • Bottom Pocket: Wind Shirt, Wind Pants
  • Main Body: Everything else

I’ve never carried water in my front shoulder pockets, but it’s a total game changer. I think shifting that weight forward puts a lot less pressure on the back of my ankles, which is typically where I get sore. I hardly had any soreness on this hi...


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Vapcell finally released the P2160B, a 6000mAh 21700 Li-Ion battery with USB-C in & out, thus usable as a powerbank (contrary to the earlier P2160A).

Nominal specs:

  • Weight: 78g
  • Capacity: 6000mAh (5800mAh minimum)
  • USB-C in/out: 10W, 5V/2A
  • Battery output: 21.6Wh

Measurements, on a brand new 2-pcs set:

  • Weight: ~79g
  • USB-C out: 9.5W, 4.87V/1.95A (average, over 90min)
  • Battery output: 15.4Wh*

Remarks:

Beware, the P2160B is slightly bulkier than a P2150A, by ~2mm in length and ~1mm in diameter (see photos). The LED indicator is also different: charging = red blinking, then continuous once fully charged; discharging = green continuous, then blinking if almost empty. In a nutshell: larger, 4~5 grams heavier, and ~13% more power than the P2150A.

**voltage, amps, and cumulative power measured with a crappy Ruideng UM-34C USB multimeter... the value found (15.4Wh) is consistent between runs, but not to be considered accurate; as a comparison, tested in similar conditions, I get 13.6Wh from a barely-used 18Wh-rated P2150A.*

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